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Introducing Rob Rawson
Rob Rawson is todays guest joining us on the Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview.
He is someone that can make us both physically better, and professionally too
With a degree in medicine and three years under his belt working in an Australian hospital, he knows a thing or two about injuries and the like.
But unusually for a Doctor, this career which for many is a choice for life, was not his only focus.
As whilst performing his medical roles, he was eagerly researching and developing quite a few internet businesses.
Which he now modestly claims as “Failed or moderately successful” start ups.
An online mapping site, a myspace profiling site, a divorce website, a limousine directory.
Various travel websites, a satellite TV comparison site, created and sold various ebooks.
Created and sold various types of software, online advertising agency, online search engine optimization agency.
Even a site designed to train individuals to improve their lie detection skills!
But Rob Rawson still managed to earning nearly $1,000,000 in a year from a bedroom in his parents house.
All from affiliate marketing, which to me sounds very successful!
How The Dots Joined Up For Rob
But he really came to the fore when back in 2012 he created Time Doctor.
This was a way to manage your staffs time, if in his case he was eager for them to work more remotely than they had previously.
After all how do you know that they aren’t sitting watching Harry Potter 27, when actually they should be head down working?
Now with the success of this under his belt, Rob Rawson increased his portfolio of “Successful start ups”.
He has now created Staff.com which is a global online platform for recruitment.
So what does he do when he isn’t working?
Does he use the Time Doctor software himself?
And what is this nasty rash that I have developed recently?
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only Mr Rob Rawson.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Rob Rawson such as:
How he should spend more time playing Lego Star Wars!
Why he could create a new dating site that helps you spot if your partner to be is lying!
How focus is such a key thing in anyone’s life!
How he set himself a target of earning $1,000,000 per year, but still felt dissatisfied afterwards!
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Audio Transcription Of Rob Rawson Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph
David Ralph [0:25]
Good morning to you all out there in internet land. Welcome to another episode of join up dots it’s going to be a great one today. This is Episode 31. Can’t believe that we’re up to 31 already. And some of the conversations we’ve had have been mind blowing on the show this one is going to match up to those ones. So let me introduce you to today’s guest. Now this is someone that actually can make us both physically better, and professionally better to with a degree in medicine and three years under his belt working in an Australian hospital. He knows a thing or two about injuries and the like. But unusually for a doctor career, which were many is a choice for life was not his only focus. As well as performing his medical roles. He was equally researching and developing quite a few internet businesses which he modestly claims as failed or moderately successful startups. The quite a list of them and online mapping site and MySpace profiling site a divorce website and limousine directory various travel websites, blah, blah, ba ba ba, and even one that is designed to train individuals to improve their lie detection skills. So we’re going to see how he gets on with me today. But he’s still managed to earn nearly 1 million in a year from a bedroom and his parents house from affiliate marketing, which to me sounds unbelievably successful. But he really came to the fore when back in 2012. He created time Dr. way to manage your staffs time. In his case, he was eager for them to work more remotely than they had previously. After all, how do you know that they aren’t sitting watching Harry Potter 27 when actually they should be head down working. Now with the success of this under his belt he Christie’s portfolio of successful startups with the creation of staff calm, which is global online platform for recruitment. So what does he do when he isn’t working and doesn’t use the time Dr. Software himself? And what is this nasty rash? I’ve developed recently, so so many questions, I’d like to ask the one and only time Dr. himself, Mr. Rob Rawson, how are you sir?
Rob Rawson [2:22]
I’m fantastic. It’s great to speak with you.
David Ralph [2:25]
It is true. Actually, in the introduction, as I was saying that introduction, I know it’s a bit sort of tongue in cheek. But you must be one of the worst bosses to have. If you want to pull a sickie, you, you you must be able to tell instantly. If somebody is faking it.
Rob Rawson [2:39]
Well, the problem is that all of our staff around the world and number he lives in the same area. So it’s probably easy for them to get away with working, you know, just just checking a sickie, but also they have flexible hours, they can basically go on break whenever they want to.
David Ralph [2:59]
Would you the sort of utopia for today’s workforce is that that is actually one of the reasons why I’ve started doing this. Because several, you know, years ago, I read, which I’m sure you have read as well, Tim Ferriss Four Hour Work Week. And yes, as I was reading it, I remember I got to page 44. And I don’t know why that page stuck in my mind. But I realized I was seeing the world in a different way. And I was thinking, why the hell should I be working at nine o’clock in the morning, if I if I’m not a good nine o’clock in the morning worker, you know, was that the kind of theme where you, you lead to, and we will be going back into your sort of your past. But for the time doctor, that the platform that you’ve created? Was it based around those kinds of Tim Ferriss logics,
Rob Rawson [3:44]
it’s really interesting for my staff that actually they do work in all kinds of hours. And some people are productive, more whatnot today, and they’re fairly flexible about the hours that they work. So actually, partly for me, is was based around that. So definitely, for me, I was looking to be able to work wherever I wanted to in the world, and to work whenever I wanted to. And so that was my purpose. But for my staff, it ended up being a little bit like that as well. It’s not that they don’t work hard. They do work very hard. But they do have flexible hours within the hours that they work.
David Ralph [4:22]
And with that, manatee you get so much loyalty, don’t you?
Rob Rawson [4:27]
There is a lot of loyalty. I think that some people really love it that some people don’t cope with working from home. I’m not saying it’s a panacea for everyone. But I think pretty much all of the people that are in my team now would find it hard to go back to an office because it’s just, it’s almost like a massive hassle. Now, you know, they have to travel to work in some cases an hour each way. And to go back to that way of working seems crazy. know, once you’re working from Harlem for a long period of time.
David Ralph [4:57]
It’s it seems totally crazy. And I can’t understand nowadays with the power of the internet, the sort of connections that we can make, virtually, why we have to do the daily commute, I don’t get it. I spent years working in London, fighting my way on a train and on an underground every morning just to get to work. And now if I do it, and I have to go out there, I feel like I’ve done a day’s work just getting there.
Rob Rawson [5:24]
Yeah, I do think it depends on the situation. I’m not going to say it’s it’s for everybody. And the reason why I say that is because I think the main negative of working from home is if you don’t have a good community, a good social life outside of work. And then what happens is you can just become very, very insular. But for most people, that’s not an issue because they have their family, they have their friends, and they just don’t want to work go to an office. And so yeah, it’s fun for most people, it’s it’s a huge benefit.
David Ralph [5:54]
is is is is the platform time Dr. Globally accepted and as the one to go to because I know there’s one or two on a similar out there. If you dominating the market with this kind of resource or being able to monitor what your staff are doing any given time.
Rob Rawson [6:13]
I pretty positive that we are number one in that space of being able to, to track time and track what your stuff we’re doing all around the world. And we’re also investing a lot more. So we have quite a large team. And so we’re constantly improving the software. And there are some competitors but they the amount that they’re investing in the software is a lot less than they may have that were investing.
David Ralph [6:39]
So So let’s take you back in time to sort of Little Robin that’s the the theme of the show joining up the dots and seeing the the stumbles, the balls, the trials and the tribulations that lead you to where you are today. And as we said in the introduction, you as a medical man, you as a train doctor, that’s fascinates me that you went through the effort and his effort of trying to be a doctor is a huge, huge undertaking. Yeah. And most doctors, I would think once they they turn it they graduate. Is that the time did they graduate? assume they do doctors?
Rob Rawson [7:17]
Yeah, they graduate. Yeah.
David Ralph [7:18]
Once you become a doctor badly for life. They they found their path, but you never felt that. I?
Rob Rawson [7:25]
I think that for a lot of doctors, actually they complain about it. And they say oh, you know the jobs no good because of this, or this is this. I actually didn’t complain. I think it’s an awesome profession. And, and in a way I wish I could do both, you know, could I do be do medicine and also be in business? And I think the answer to that is no ecard, really do both. Because if you’re, if you’re being a doctor, you have to devote your life to it if you’re going to be a great doctor. And that’s the decision that I came to I couldn’t be a part time doctor. So I couldn’t really see myself being a doctor. The rest of my life, I’d like to do medical business, perhaps after this business. But it’s not. It’s not really my path to the doctor and I and I really fell into this path of being an entrepreneur. And I really enjoy that.
David Ralph [8:14]
He is funny as you say, You fell into it. Because we were doing episode after episode daily, daily, daily. And yes, everyone from afar, and I was the same which see people in success and just feel that they they breezed through and it was a given and they just knew what to do. But that’s not true, is it? Everyone has to fold into something. You haven’t got all the answers when you start.
Rob Rawson [8:43]
I had a lot of ambitions. And so I don’t know fell into is exactly the right way to think of it that I actually really had a lot of ambitions to be successful in business, even when I was going through medicine. I was constantly starting businesses, I just took a year off to start a marketing consultancy, which is absolutely crazy. I actually did a course with Jay Abraham, I don’t know if you’ve heard of him. He’s a marketing guru. So I read all of his stuff about marketing. And then I decided I was a marketing expert at that point. And then I actually took a year off medicine just to teach people when to do consult with businesses about marketing. So I really wasn’t quite in the medical track, if you can see that even from during medicine hours doing that kind of thing. And I think that probably part of the reason I did medicine is really because it’s the path that you you kind of feel like you need to do a degree and what is the degree that I’m going to do? And then I decided to do that. And, and so it is funny in a way it is it’s strange to just do something completely different. It’s interesting. And it’s it’s almost like having two lives at the same time. So
David Ralph [10:01]
I can’t quite get my head round, how you you juggle that you’re being a doctor, and you’re running online businesses? Surely your bosses at that time must have said to you hang on, is your focus on the medical profession? Or is it on business? Was there any sort of, um, conflict at that time?
Rob Rawson [10:22]
I don’t think your medical bosses get into you in that much detail. You really just have to pass your exams. And and it’s it’s not, it’s not really like that. So no, they’re not really looking at whether you’re doing work outside of his said, you have your own choices to do what you want to do.
David Ralph [10:40]
I think I’m getting all my knowledge from Flying Doctors and these Australian programs. So it’s wrong the way I’m coming to it.
Rob Rawson [10:50]
Well, the reason why I actually left medicine was, as I said before, I think that the is something you need to devote your life to, it’s not a part time profession, it really should be devoting your life to it. And that’s because it’s such a critical skill, and you can’t be sort of half a doctor and have, you know, half of the knowledge that you need to have you need to be completely focused on it. You need to be the best you can possibly be because people’s lives are depending on you. What was
David Ralph [11:19]
after a friend who’s a nurse, and I’m always saying to her, what weird things have you seen recently, Claire, come on, come on, tell me tell me. What what kind of weird things when you as a doctor, did you did you see that you still look back on a new paint wall,
Rob Rawson [11:31]
I have so many very, very intense moments. And in the beginning, actually, when I was working in emergency, I found it too intense I was I was very nervous in the beginning that I got more used to it as I went on, there was some things that I didn’t like one of the things that I didn’t like was that in I was working in a country hospital and quite a lot of the people were coming in for self inflicted types of things. So they literally would have gotten drunk and tripped over and hit their head or they were addicted to drugs or different things like that. And it would be more than 50% of the people that come into the hospital. Were for those reasons, I don’t mean that they ate fatty foods, and they got a heart attack. And not that kind of subjected I mean more directly, they they got drunk, or they’re taking drugs or something very, very directly their behavior and it made them sick A few hours later.
David Ralph [12:31]
Not a good place to work. If you’re seeing that all day every day.
Rob Rawson [12:35]
Yeah, it’s you really have to have that empathy for people in that situation. And, and so I think it would be very difficult for me to be for example, a psychiatrist because I don’t think I would have that empathy that you need to have to really to feel that you can empathize with people who have who have mental illness for exam. Yeah,
David Ralph [13:01]
now you got a special type of person, especially and and as you are, you know, you are a special type of person. You know, when I started researching about you, and I was looking through your your online activities, so many people and I’ve done the same are in jobs but I don’t quite like and they want an element of freedom to come into their life. And I think that by creating an online business is the way to go. But my god, you did hundreds near Well, not hundreds, but the the very the various size and companies that you started, or so separate from one another. How did you? How did you connect both through that for, for example, how could you do an online mapping site, and then do one that improves lie detection skills, that doesn’t seem to be a logic through those I
Rob Rawson [13:51]
did, actually dozens of sites, that would be accurate. And some of them fail, because they weren’t really the best idea, for example, the lie detection. What it actually was, it was a funny idea. I just had the idea that I had got to do this. So what because I read this, these books and watch this show lied to me? Have you ever seen that show? Yeah, yeah. So I got really into that show. And I get to do a website on this. And what it was is you actually saw the screen and you saw a card hand with different cards and one time it would have four aces. And each time, you would have to say there’s no aces, and a record a video of you saying there’s no aces, but one time you’d be lying, then you’d be able to see all these videos recorded with a webcam, and you had to look at the videos of other people and try to detect which of those times they were lying. And that was the concept behind the side. But the problem was two things. First of all, the technical difficulties with recording video via webcam is actually quite challenging. And the second problem is that it’s actually really almost impossible to detect when they’re lying, especially with that little information. So it was it was kind of a really silly idea, actually. So I had a lot of silly ideas like that, that I that I tried to execute on. And really only a few things that actually made very good money. And most of them made very little or some of the major, sort of the small amount of money. But I was just had all of these ideas and just came up with them and went with them. And some of them probably would have been more successful, but put more focus on them as well.
David Ralph [15:32]
We did lie detection skills, it this is an opportunity for you, Bob, we could join forces here, as you’re talking about. I thought why don’t you combine that with a dating site? So when you so you can tell if the other person I’m being honest. Yeah, that’s perfect in it. We’re going to be millionaires rocky
Rob Rawson [15:51]
Yeah, really interesting.
David Ralph [15:55]
account, see why you couldn’t see that combine but to?
Rob Rawson [16:00]
Well, I actually did have an idea of doing a video dating website, I don’t think it’s been done to a large degree or to a very successful degree. But I think there’s also reasons for that, because it’s a little bit to show me to show me a video of somebody in the beginning, although I think that’s probably the eventual direction that that online dating will go, well, it’s safer than suddenly meeting someone in a pub that you you thought was going to be five foot two in 15 pounds or
David Ralph [16:32]
whatever. Exactly, yeah. And then finding out is so totally different. I think I think there’s a market there. And I’m going to trademark that by the end of this program. Look at it live dating skills, live with me live with me, that works even better. It’s brilliant. So you, you’ve been turned to affiliate marketing. And for our listeners out there that aren’t aware of affiliate marketing. This is where you can basically provide leads to companies simply by putting links on websites and web hosting pages, where people will click through and those clicks will give you revenue. Now, loads of people do that thousands, millions of people do that. But I when I saw that figure a million in a year from a bedroom in your parents house. What was the trick? What did you stumble across? Why? Why did you become so successful in that, because that blew me away.
Rob Rawson [17:35]
There’s a bunch of tricks. And most of what I was doing then actually can’t apply right now. Because the the strategies were more short term strategies. So I think that what’s, what’s interesting is to look at the principles that I used, that could then be applied to any situation. So one of the principles is, whenever you find something that’s working to scale it as fast and as big as you can. So when I found something that was working, I would scale it either through my own efforts, or through hiring outsource people. And that’s how I got into the Philippines and hiring an outsourced team there, that I basically would scale it as fast and as big as I could. And I know that there’s some people that have have a certain level of success online, but they haven’t had the guts or the energy to scale it to a huge degree that they agree that they could scale it too. So that was really taking massive action really completely, always going that extra degree and doing perhaps 10 times more efforts, or 10 times more work towards the goal then another person might have done.
David Ralph [18:48]
Have you always been a high achiever, then?
Rob Rawson [18:53]
I’m not sure about always I was, I was probably a high achiever from high school, I started to become a high achiever. What turned you on to become you know, to raise your game? What What was the spark to actually say? No, the initial psychological reason was because I felt that I wanted to prove myself to other kids that somehow I felt like I couldn’t fit in with other kids. And I wanted to prove that I was able to, to succeed, and by proving that, that I could either fit in or become respected in it with kids at school. So that’s my initial psychological reason, the deep down, you know, psychological reason for it.
David Ralph [19:40]
What why why would you think that like, well as a as a child, but you weren’t fitting in?
Rob Rawson [19:49]
Because I wasn’t, I think that because initially, because some kids made fun of me at school. And because I, you know, it’s stuff that I made up in my head when I was a kid. So it’s just really my own way of coping with the world. And the way that I did was retreat inside myself. And inside that place, say, Look, I’m going to prove to you guys that I can be successful, I can be better than you. But you know, at its core, honestly, it’s actually going to be better than you, I’m going to beat you guys. And so that was the, that was the core thing. And that’s actually why for me, personally, this online stuff, stuff has been very, very successful, because I actually can do it just on my own. It uses my intellectual ability, and it doesn’t require social skills. So I really literally didn’t have to talk to anyone. I had a business that was earning a lot of money that everywhere. I didn’t talk to a single person.
David Ralph [20:47]
I bet you must rush to your postman every morning for that school reunion.
Rob Rawson [20:54]
You haven’t paid to the school you did yet that that’s more because I was traveling the world for the last
David Ralph [21:00]
10 years old last? I would I would love because I’m fearful of school reunions, because I just think there’s going to be a whole room of people lying about how successful they are. But you could really you could just drive up in any car you want you you’d had the pic when you arrange your own school union? Well,
Rob Rawson [21:20]
well, I think that everybody’s trying to prove something in the in the school, we really it’s like a psychological thing. You know, have you succeeded? And
that’s obviously flawed way of thinking.
David Ralph [21:36]
That’s just the way I roll. It’s the way I think. So So what has made time Dr. So much more successful, then, when the other companies, I’m still looking at like the limousine directory in the divorce website, because it defaults website, it must be a market there, which is unbelievable. So was was it just consistent focus? Or was it that you’d learn so many things, skills of what works and what doesn’t, through all those different companies.
Rob Rawson [22:06]
I actually think in some cases, the idea wasn’t so good for these other projects. But the limousine directory, or the divorce side, I think the idea was quite valid. But I didn’t have any passion for it. In fact, I wasn’t really working on it, I had a team member who was created created that entire site, and I didn’t really spend any time at all on that site myself. And so I had no passion for it. And I had no consistent focus. But if I had spent the same focus that I’m spending on Time Doctor on those sides, I probably would have got it to the same financial success level that I have now,
David Ralph [22:44]
did you ever feel like going back in and reigniting any of them,
Rob Rawson [22:50]
it’s a matter of focus. And I just can’t focus on more than one thing. At the same time, unless you have a huge level of success with one and you have a completely managed with a team that maybe you can start to do something else. But if you’re in the startup phase, or if you haven’t achieved a very, very high level of success, multimillion dollar business with people running the business for you, I think you really need to focus. And I was initially doing that scattergun approach. And I don’t, I don’t think it’s too bad to do that to an extent. But once you decide what you are going to focus on, I think the main thing is important to focus. So now I don’t really feel like I want to go back,
David Ralph [23:33]
it is focused The main thing or is taking action, the main thing for our listeners out there who are listening to us on a daily basis on their commute to work. And many of them are writing to me now saying, Oh, you know, I’m inspired to change, but I’m not sure what I should be doing. Hopefully, the answers will come up in the conversation. Is it simply a case of me saying to them, just start trying stuff, and hopefully something will stick? Or is it but more than that.
Rob Rawson [24:03]
I think trying stuff and and waiting for something to stick is is okay, I think that actually doing a bunch of different things. And then that eventually you come across something that really fits, I think that actually is not a bad idea. I do think that people that are very successful to a lot to a high degree that are very successful in their professions, they do need to focus focus at it for a long period of time. So it’s a bit of I don’t think there’s a simple rule here, I think there are people that have been successful in business, for example, doing four or five different businesses, but they are more the exception than the rule. And the rule is more that you really have to focus on one thing over a very long period of time. And and it’s this momentum, especially in business, it takes two years even to get to the point where you can get momentum in most cases. And some cases, it takes longer, it takes maybe five years where you get to the point where where the business just starts to get better and better and better and more and becomes very successful. And if you don’t get to that two year point, or five year point, whatever it is for your business, you just never even go to see a reasonable level of success.
David Ralph [25:18]
And that is one of the problems isn’t a you know, I know I’ve had, I’ve created sort of online companies. And I’ve kind of given up too early. And it was either that my passion, as you were saying, and I agree totally with what you were saying, it wasn’t my passion wasn’t quite there, I was just thinking, this is gonna make me some money. Brilliant, this is what I’m going to do. Or it just kind of seemed too hard. And I got to a point when the hours were taking over, and I was doing longer and longer, longer hours. And I couldn’t quite see those rewards. If I push true, and possibly I wouldn’t be doing this now I’d be sitting on a beach somewhere with my laptop. But you do need to just keep on pushing, pushing pushing don’t you until you get to a clearly defined line when it’s either not going to work, or I’m going to keep on going.
Rob Rawson [26:10]
I think that’s where that I think that’s true in most cases. And I think that that’s where the passion comes in. Because the passion is what drives you to be able to keep pushing and pushing in the same direction. And in most businesses, you do need to push past these points where you just think it’s not working. I mean, it’s happened to me multiple times in a time Dr. business that I felt like it was worth not working or it’s going to be a failure, there’s there’s a lot of issues, I really pushed very, very hard for a long period of time on this business. And and now I am starting to see the level of success coming from that. But I think it’s still only just now that it’s really getting a bit of momentum and, and success in it. And it and it does take a lot longer than you think it might cases.
David Ralph [27:01]
So why haven’t you stopped? Why Why are you still pushing, pushing? pushing? Is it just a personal belief that this is a great thing that you’re creating? Or is it something else
Rob Rawson [27:16]
I think it’s coming from my belief, it’s coming from my drive to to it and to succeed at that. And it’s just, I have this goal that I’m going to be successful with it, I’ve written down the goals, and I’m focused on them. And, and it’s I, if I if I switch now and do something else, I know that that’s going to take probably five or 10 years and and it’s not the right move for me, I want to focus on this and continue on this. And I see this as really a positive and valuable thing. What we’re doing with startup com is we’re really helping millions of people, our goal is to help millions of people to be able to connect and work from home remotely. And that’s a really difficult goal. But I think that we can get there and finally 10 years. So this is really the future as well, people working from home and being able to work remotely from anywhere in the world. It’s it’s exciting to be able to tap into this trend and to work into this into this area that’s definitely growing. And, and this This phenomenon is happening at the moment.
David Ralph [28:19]
I’m trying to jot down so many things that you’re saying there because there’s so many sort of nuggets, I’m not sure if you’re aware of what you’re saying, at the time, or if it’s just coming flowing from you. But um, you you write all your goals down, because that is so important. And that’s a part that so many people miss out don’t like that they actually need to write down their goals to create a path most most of them, certainly from the people that I speak to that had these ideas in their head, but they never kind of realize them into written form.
Rob Rawson [28:52]
Yes, yeah. So one of the goals that I’ve written down is to have 200,000 paid users of our software. So that’s, that’s one of the goals and and that’s a hugely ambitious goal. But that really drives me and it directs me as into what we’re going to do in our business.
David Ralph [29:12]
Do you do you have that goal bonus idea bed pinned up on your bathroom mirror? Where is that go?
Rob Rawson [29:19]
I actually just have it written down in wonder list in a task list software. And so I review it, I have a task every week to go back and review my goals. So I actually only review at about once a week.
David Ralph [29:34]
But it’s with you always is kind of just yeah, niggling away.
Rob Rawson [29:38]
Yeah, it’s in the back of my mind. Yeah.
David Ralph [29:40]
You know, as I say, I think that is a fundamental point, you need focus, as you’re saying, you need to have consistent action, you certainly need to have belief that what you’re working on, is ultimately going to bear fruit, and provide value to people. And you need to have written goals, there’s, you know, there’s a lot of luck, there’s a lot of other stuff that sort of comes into it. But if somebody out there is thinking of starting something, and they just followed those steps, that’s going to set them off in a good direction, not maybe the perfect direction, but that’s going to help them a lot, isn’t it? It is.
Rob Rawson [30:18]
And I think you need to also be careful about the goals too. And your, your, your motivation for them. So it if you imagine that life that you are going to have with those goals, is that what you truly want and and also you have to think about the sacrifice, you don’t have to go for these super ambitious goals as well, I wouldn’t say that, you should feel that you have to do a super ambitious goal. On the other hand, I think it does create you as a bigger person, it gives you a purpose in your life. And especially if that goal is connected with something that is helping humanity and other people and in some way as well. So would definitely encourage you to to create an ambitious goal,
David Ralph [31:04]
our goals better when they’re linked to value in helping people
Rob Rawson [31:12]
feel as more sustainable and as more long term. And it’s more linked to the highest level of happiness that you can have, which is to contribute to other people.
David Ralph [31:25]
Because so many people that I’ve been speaking to pretty much based their whole business on providing value helping people. And so many people have said to me, once I realized it was about providing value to people and helping other people and solving their problems. That’s when all my problems were solved as well. And the more I gave out, the more I got back tenfold.
Rob Rawson [31:53]
I think there’s a lot of truth to it. And I don’t think there’s any hundred percent rules here, though, know, that I personally started off going from money. And I had a goal to earn a million dollars a year and I was I was constantly going for that goal. And I did achieve it. And then I felt after I achieved it, I felt a bit sort of despondent, like, well, what is this is meaningless. And I feel very happy from it. So it didn’t make me happy. And I think that a higher level goal does, it doesn’t necessarily make you happy either. But it’s it’s a more, it’s more of a process that you can work on for a longer period of time. And it’s less likely to leave you being despondent, like, you know, having your only goal being to have a sports car, I don’t think it’s very deeply satisfying. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, or the money. So I do I do think also you there is a It doesn’t mean that it has to be just about having some kind of charity type of thing. I think that business in itself, a lot of businesses, you are serving people, so it’s actually okay to have even a mundane kind of business like you you doing garbage for people. And and somebody could be very, very passionate about collecting garbage. And I think that’s great. We need we need people in the world that becomes super passionate about collecting garbage and doing it in a really amazing way that that impacts people in a positive way. So this is not just about curing cancer. It’s it’s, it’s about your personal goal, you know,
David Ralph [33:37]
no, I agree with you, I think collection of garbage is is gotta be forefront. And the brilliant thing about it, yeah, there’s no training, they just pick it up as they go along. That’s probably the worst joke I could say at that moment. Um, so the theme of the show, trying to get away from that job, because I feel wanna be ashamed of myself. I’ll be honest, bringing that one up. is Steve Jobs iconic speech back in 2005. And I’m going to play it to you because we try and play this on all the shows. But I just want to ask how relevant This is the words that he says, has been to your life and how is coming to your life now. So I’m going to play bass, and then I’m going to ask you a few questions afterwards.
Steve Jobs [34:26]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards, 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future, you have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [35:00]
So are those words relevant to your life? Well,
Rob Rawson [35:07]
I really love what he’s saying, I think that you could be constantly doubting your future, or you can constantly be doubting whether you’re on the right path. Or you could say, this is what I’m doing now. And I can be really putting myself into that with all of my energy. And, and, and I think that that’s interesting also that, that life is a combination of that goal that we’ve talked about. But it’s also about going in the direction that that life takes you. It’s it’s, it’s about designing your life through goals, but it’s also about following the path that that is in front of you that that seems to sort of reveal itself. As in this is what I’m going to do. And so I think it’s a combination of those two things.
David Ralph [35:55]
So looking back over your life, are there dots, but you can join up where you can go Yeah, okay, I can see that I went from there to there to there. And as Colleen to vaguely led me to lm now.
Rob Rawson [36:08]
Lots of dots. Yeah, absolutely. I can I can see, for example, how I went to certain seminars, personal development type of thing, and how that influenced me and how that may be turned direction in a way and and and then I could see when I became really despondent at one time of my life, and then how I turned that around. So lots of different things that I can see.
David Ralph [36:37]
But you didn’t have a clearly defined path was it was it, as he says, got intuition, the belief that you are going to do better than your school mates?
Rob Rawson [36:52]
I don’t think I had a clearly defined path. Absolutely not. Because look at what I did, I did medicine, and then I did something completely different. I knew what I was going to do what I’ve done medicine in the first place that I don’t know,
David Ralph [37:04]
which, which is the answer that I love. And it really is what I want to come through all the shows. But you guys, you’re coming on here, you’re telling your story, you are successful, and that’s why we’re getting you on the show. But you made it up as you went along. But you took the action and you you had focus and you made mistakes, you know, I keep on saying the same thing over and over and over again. And if anyone is out there, sitting on the train listening to this, and I just have that little idea of Wouldn’t it be good if this was created or whatever, just look into it, see if it’s out there already, you know, and and actually makes would it be a good idea. And we’re not saying that you’ve got to create a million pounds a year, we’re not saying that you gotta, you know, quit your job. All I’m saying to you is, you don’t have to be miserable in your situation, there are steps you can take to, you know, be proactive and change your own situation. Because life is great, and it should be great. And it’s really upsetting for me personally, if there’s people out there that aren’t getting what they should get, because of their efforts. That that that was me. That was me having a rent.
Rob Rawson [38:10]
Yeah, I think that’s really true. But it’s also that you can be in your if you’re miserable now in your current job, and you kind of looking for I wish I had something else, you know, you could get that other thing. And then you could be miserable net to you know, you can’t. It’s actually the excitement comes from, it’s almost like the excitement just drives that you had this excitement. And then you decide to do something else as a result of that excitement. You can’t, you can’t just think well, I’m going to do something else. And then I’ll be excited. No doesn’t work that way. You get excited. And then you do something else.
David Ralph [38:47]
Yeah, and but the
Rob Rawson [38:48]
more you do the same thing that you’re excited about what you’re always doing. I mean, it could be it could be either way. But the excitement is doesn’t come from some external thing that you’re going to, you’re going to sudden somehow do this magic career that’s going to make you excited, you have the excitement and passion inside of you. And that drives this this career that you’re going to create for yourself.
David Ralph [39:08]
Absolutely. But if you haven’t got that, that passion or that drive, or you didn’t realize you have, you’ve got to do something, first of all, to kick it off Avenue. And
Rob Rawson [39:19]
maybe a little spark or something that you do have passion for and trying different things. Yeah, that you’ve got to speak, you’ve got to kick it off somehow.
David Ralph [39:28]
Yeah, because I feel so many people are in as I call contentment zone, where life isn’t that bad. That is kind of bored. And they’re floating through and they’re getting a salary at the end of each month. And then they get to the next month. And you know, nothing’s too bad. And I was in that for years and years and years and years. But if it does get bad, and you suddenly get a boss like I did, who was a complete? What’s it and I just didn’t see eye to eye with them at all. When you do take that action and you do move on. And then certainly from my point of view, my terrible mistakes. And I’ve seen the opposite side of the fence where I’m thinking, oh my god, what have I done? What have I done, but I’ve been move on again, and I move on again. And hopefully if you move on enough times or you you keep on trying to make connections with people and have positive influence on people, you’ve got to find yourself in a happier position. I can’t I can’t see why you wouldn’t do if you keep on trying. It’s just like overcoming failures, isn’t it? If you overcome enough failures, you can have success?
Rob Rawson [40:32]
Yes. Yeah. And and if you’re, if you’re in a situation where you don’t know, what you want to do,
it’s just about
trying, it’s just about trying something that’s
trying something else that you that you haven’t tried before. And and and it’s it’s not about it was actually one of the things that I wanted to say is that if you’re in a career, and you’ve got a sort of nine to five job, I mean, that is an easier life in a way once you come become an entrepreneur, you have to make more decisions for yourself. Even if you become financially successful. And you have all the money in the world to do everything that you want. You think that it’d be an easier life, it’s not actually easier. It’s actually more challenging, because now you have to make the decision, well, what am I going to do with my life now that I’ve got all the money to do anything that I want to do? Most people who are in a nine to five job don’t have to think about that they just don’t have an option, they have to work so they just do it. Whereas if you have the choice, it’s actually a more difficult situation. But for the I want to be in that difficult situation, I want to be in a situation where I’m challenged where I have to make that choice where I’m it’s almost like being awake or being alive to have that freedom and choice. And yes, it’s more challenging, but it’s also more alive, it’s more way to lie to be able to make that choice.
David Ralph [42:01]
can rob Ralston see a point in his life when you’re not so actively involved in all these different businesses? Or do you think that you’re, you’re going to be a 70 year old still doing the same kind of things? Is this your life path that you found now?
Rob Rawson [42:20]
I can imagine going on a six month break at work if I sold a business or something like that, that I I do really enjoy business. So I think I could turn back on it a little bit, but I do definitely enjoy it. So I would probably continue it for the rest of my life.
David Ralph [42:36]
Yeah, that’s a good place to be, isn’t it that you found something that not only is financially viable, very successful, but also it just drives you on because it’s it’s as much a hobby I suppose. Because there’s those challenges of building it up and seeing where it will go. Then being an employee.
Rob Rawson [42:58]
Yet, to me business, it’s like playing one gigantic video game except when you when you hit the monsters and when you succeed you get money.
David Ralph [43:09]
I’m gonna go do that now when I’m when I’m playing World of Warcraft or whatever. Or or lego star wars you can’t be lego star wars. Can you
Rob Rawson [43:20]
like that one. But to be if you playing a video game, why not play a video game in life where you actually get billed money? And as more complicated, you know, video games in a computer a little bit boring, because they’re just so simple. Whereas to me I love video game of life where your Will you actually earning money and you get to get real rewards at the end of it.
David Ralph [43:40]
I think that’s a narrow minded view. Rob, I think lego star wars wins out all the time. Okay, I really think that’s right, yeah, widen your experience. Just sort of bringing us to the end of the show. What I want to do as I do with all the guests is put you on the mic. And this is the part of the show that we call it a sermon on my way I play the music and when it fades out, you’ve been transported back in time, like a Australian Marty McFly to speak to your younger self? And what kind of advice would you give your younger self? And what age would you choose? So I’m going to put the music on now. And I’m just gonna sit here quietly, because this is sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [44:27]
We go with the best of the show.
Rob Rawson [44:44]
Okay, so I’m actually, if I’m coming back into my, my past, and I’m thinking about when I was a kid, and I’d say a few things. First of all, I would say that
Unknown Speaker [44:59]
Rob Rawson [45:00]
don’t worry about what other people think about you, it’s really okay to pursue your own path, that people have their own feelings and thoughts. And, and it’s okay for me, I don’t have to worry that I’m going to be accepted or liked at school, for example, or that, you know, at a high school, and it’s just okay for me to be the way that I want to be. So that’s probably the most important message, however I am is perfect. The second thing I’d say is I don’t, you don’t have to go to college, or to university, it’s really a choice. And it’s you don’t have to follow the path that you feel that society wants you to follow, you can follow another path. And especially in this day and age, going to university or college is not actually the only way to learn and to end to become empowered intellectually. And the main thing is just to be happy with with whatever you have. And it’s it’s funny, because you don’t ever think about death when you’re younger. But when you older, maybe you get more experience of it, you think of it, but the truth is that we’re all going to die. And, and it’s not something to worry about these little minute details. When it does, it really doesn’t matter in the end, just enjoy your life and these things that are good about it, that that you’re not going to matter in a good way in a matter in a way that you can make whatever choice that you want to make. And it’s and it’s okay, it doesn’t. It doesn’t matter if you fail, it doesn’t matter if you succeed. Just have fun and enjoy the process.
David Ralph [46:45]
Absolutely have fun, enjoy the process and just join those dots.
Rob Rawson [46:51]
David Ralph [46:52]
Rob Rawson, it’s been an absolute pleasure having you on the show today. I think what you’ve achieved is simply amazing. And I think you’re going to go on to sort of bigger and bigger success, I can just hear the passion coming out of you. And you sound like you’re having fun with it as well, which is the main main thing as well. So just before we go, as I say to all the guests, but door’s always open to come back at a later time and tell us what you’re getting up to because the beauty with join up dots is our our histories keep on sort of building forward. And I believe that connecting those dots joining those dots is the only way to build our futures. So Rob, thank you so much. Okay, thank you
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