Ryan Kulp Join Us On The Join Up Dots Business Coaching Podcast
Introducing Ryan Kulp
Ryan Kulp is today’s guest joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots podcast.
He is an expert on StartUps and a founder of many of them too.
He’s the founder of fomo.com, along with over a dozen other startups (he’s a serial entrepreneur and developer/ hacker).
He is now publishing his latest book “Fitness for Hackers” which shows his story from a bit flabby to a lean mean fighting machine
As he says “After years of struggling with my weight, I finally cracked the code to achieving a high level of personal fitness – and it had nothing to do with science, working out every day, or cardio.
In this book, told through the lens of a software developer’s approach to health, you’ll learn simple strategies that build the habits required to look great, without giving up.
How The Dots Joined Up For Ryan
He’s a prolific (and successful by all measurable accounts) marketer and entrepreneur, and can say a thing or two about business, marketing, entrepreneurship, side-hustling, startups, bootstrapping a biz, and of course health.
But even more interesting for me, is that he if a full time traveller, and has since 2019 launched courses, started teaching himself to speak Korean, wrote a book, and travelled to ~15 countries, in 2020 he is travelling full-time, surfing, and investing in real estate.
So what with the current corona virus pandemic tearing through the world, how does this make a full time traveller achieve his aim?
And looking back at everything he now does, was it a given?
A series of well formed dots, or a totally different story altogether?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the only and only Ryan Kulp
During the show we discussed such weighty subjects with Ryan Kulp such as:
Ryan Kulp shares how he never plays up the flexibility of being an online nomad, due to the mass of restrictions that come everyday.
We discuss how the concept of lifework balance does not truly exist in life, and why Ryan has a contra view to most
Why racking up skills that other people dont have is so important to build a future, but you don’t necessarily.
Ryan shares his steps to a fit life, that works with your own environment and lifestyle and shouldn’t be a major hardship.
How To Connect With Ryan Kulp
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Interview Transcription For Ryan Kulp Interview
David Ralph [0:01]
Once upon a time, there was a guy with a dream, a dream to quit his job, support himself online and have a kickoff live. Little did he know that dream would lead him into a world of struggle, burnout and debt, until he found a magic ingredient and no struggles became a thing of the past, of course, was that person. And now My dream is to make things happen for you. Welcome to Join Up Dots.
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling and Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:52]
Yes. Hello. Good morning, everybody. Good morning world and thank you for being here with us on Join Up Dots. Yeah, it’s just the three of It’s just the three of us. No one else listens. It’s just you out there with ease in your ear balls. Well, today’s guest joining us on the show is an expert on startups and a founder of many of them too. He’s the founder of fomo.com. Along with over a dozen other startups. He’s a senior entrepreneur and developer hacker. Now he’s publishing his latest book fitness for hackers, which shows his story from a bit flabby to a lean, mean fighting machine. As he says, After years of struggling with my weight, I finally cracked the code to achieving a high level of personal fitness and it had nothing to do with science working out every day or cardio in this book told through the lens of a software developers approach to health you’ll learn simple strategies that build the habits required to look great without giving up he is a prolific and successful by all measurable accounts market here and entrepreneur and can say a thing or two about business marketing entrepreneurship side hustling startup bootstrapping and of course help. But even more interesting for me and on all of us on Join Up Dots is that he is a full time traveller and has since 2019 launched courses started teaching himself to speak Korean, wrote a book and travelled to 15 countries and in 2020 he is travelling full time I suppose he should be travelling full time surfing and investing in real estate. So, what would the common Corona virus pandemic tearing through the world? How does this make a full time traveller achieve his aim and looking back at everything he now does? Was it given over a series of well formed dots, or maybe a totally different story altogether? Well, let’s find out as we bring them to the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr. Ryan Kulp. Good morning.Ryan. How are you?
Ryan Kulp [2:51]
Thanks, David for having me. Yeah, excellent. intro. I’m I was trying to answer your question just now. How am I travelling in the midst of coronavirus today I think it’s all about treating this like it is a zombie apocalypse and I’m just running away from it. And that’s actually a lot easier.
David Ralph [3:08]
Well, I think it is because, well, it used to be now I’m gonna jump back into this because when I was a kid, it was quite easy to get away from zombies. So I would have gone totally with you. But now they can run like Usain Bolt. I don’t know why zombies are so fast nowadays when they weren’t. So how are you doing it if these zombies that you’re dodging can run so fast?
Ryan Kulp [3:31]
Well, it starts with where I’m at. I’ve spent the last couple of months in South America where I guess Chinese people don’t travel. I don’t know, because that’s frankly what they started. Yeah, I don’t really care what anyone says. Started in China. It’s been spreading from China. We know Italy was because of Chinese travellers. We do Seattle in New Jersey in New York, same thing. But South America, maybe not so much. So started in Argentina, Brazil, staying on Staying in big cities. Each of these places I’ve been the last couple months has their own problems. So for example, in Santiago, the night I arrived, I tried to go to McDonald’s and I got tear gas in my eyes, because they have their own social issue going on. But all of that means is that not a lot of Chinese tourists are going to those places. And so a couple weeks ago, I was in Midian, and that was, you know, hunky dory. And just as I arrived to Mexico City, midday and locked down, and now just as I’m about to leave Mexico City and go to Korea, Mexico City is locking down So, so far so good, but I do think when I make it to Korea, I will have to go to a government facility with questionable Wi Fi gym utilities access for a couple weeks in quarantine.
David Ralph [4:47]
I think the big question is, is being a cosmopolitan traveller like you are. Why the hell you eating McDonald’s ate, I wouldn’t even ate McDonald’s if it was on my doorstep.
Ryan Kulp [5:00]
So yes, that’s a good question. I actually have to eat McDonald’s almost like a couple times a month as a requirement because I’ve been pretty much just eating meat. And when you go somewhere new you got to get your foot in you got to find the restaurants what’s open, and a lot of times McDonald’s is the only thing that open at least when we arrive on on the flight, so I go to McDonald’s, I get the bacon cheeseburgers seen pan. That’s what we say in South America, no bread. And I just start from down with the fork, you know?
David Ralph [5:31]
So let’s take you back then Ryan Kulp because you you’ve got that level of flexibility that people out there would go That’s amazing. That’s brilliant. That’s how I want my life to be. But I’m very clear through Join Up Dots about even though life seems sexy. There are hassles you never escape the hassles of running an online business or running any business. What would be a percentage of hassles too sexy at the moment. Be
Ryan Kulp [6:02]
actually this, I appreciate you saying that and I try to always communicate something similar. You know, we’ve been travelling, we’ve been meeting people, sometimes you meet other Americans, and they’re in the middle of their two week vacation. It’s like, Well, we’ve been doing this 15 months, or you meet locals and they think, Well, I think I want to go do what you’re doing. And I never, ever play it up, because actually, this flexibilities deserves air quotes. I think, flexibility of let’s say, travelling full time means you actually have to spend a period of time being the opposite of flexible. For us that meant before gearing up before heading out. We spent two years studying to learn new skills. So my wife and I, for example, were business partners. We both spent years learning how to code online before we started doing this. We both get years kind of adjusting and changing career paths. We both spent years trying to develop assets and just new skill sets that we could use that are conducive to you know, working on a laptop versus going into an office. So first of all, I guess the first prerequisite to this quote unquote flexibility was being inflexible. I was saying no to things or saying no to friends saying no to, you know, Netflix sometimes, and just kind of racking up a skill stack. But I would say the second part of it as we’re now doing it, you know, we spent at least six, seven months last year as we were getting our getting our bearings out here, working seven days a week. So we might be in Rome, we might be in Dubai, we might be in Korea, but we were getting up every day, and going to whatever cafe had the best Wi Fi and plugs. If it couldn’t find it, we’d go back to back to three per day, and just working. And it got to the point where it felt really silly because we’re in insert wherever interesting place. And we’re not seeing anything, we’re not doing anything. And so we actually had to force ourselves to try to do something fun. So we will try to do one excursion. Let’s say per week. And now this year, we’ve been doing an even better job for the past 60 days or so, we now try to take off Fridays and have like a midday or a stay, but we’re still we’re still going hard. You know, we’re still working, waking up and going straight to work on Saturday, we’re waking up and going straight to work somewhere on Sunday, mixing in a bit of study, not always doing email, not always doing your typical work thing. But that’s for us been part of the requirement to be able to, you know, to not be home in New York City where we were used to for five, six years.
David Ralph [8:33]
Now, I see you talking there’s so much sort of relevance to my life and I do it very different I work but then I leave it behind. Because if you go back about five or six years of Join Up Dots, I’d go on vacation. And while the kids were important in Nepal, I’d be looking for dodgy Wi Fi or, or Wi Fi as they called it all over the place. And, and it was just a pain. It was just a pain. So I realised that taking it with me Isn’t conducive to my life I have to work and then go on vacation. Now the vacation can last five or six weeks, whatever. But it’s total disconnect. So how do you then determine when you are on vacation? When do you actually go? Look, we’re gonna have a break here and leave it behind.
Ryan Kulp [9:21]
Well, it starts with the word you just said, which is break. So I don’t think I’ve had I have not had a proper vacation and a few years. I’ve tried to go to places with the intent of vacation, you know, I think a couple years ago and tried to go to like, Bali and you know, relax and but you know, like you said, once I get there within a couple hours and doing something on on the Wi Fi, checking email, and I don’t think it’s any good. You know, I’m not proud of that. I don’t I don’t really have a justification. I would never suggest to someone to do that. But I think it’s because my my work has become so integrated with with my life. So I think I wrote about this a while ago. But the phrase work life balance to me. The other phrases like work life integration people have said something I wrote about on my blog was work life enablement. And my my sort of supposition is that it’s not catchy
David Ralph [10:12]
that is a it’s not a it’s not a catchy phrase, you could have come up with something better that surely
Ryan Kulp [10:18]
definitely not catchy but less catchy means maybe there’s more to it right and, and so for me work life enablement means that the harder you work or the better work you do, it enables a better life. Now that better life maybe this weekend, if you have this like five on to off, or that better life maybe a few years from now. And so I’ve been trying to find that balance for me. You know, if you delay gratification, forever, then you never are gratified, and then one day stop breathing and die. If you live for the weekend, you might never achieve you know what you’re capable of with concentrated effort back to back. So finding that balance is different for everyone. But you know, as we’ve been going around, for example, we are writing about our travel well now if we’re writing about Are travellers that work? Or is that play? You know, we’re studying language if we’re studying languages at work is that play? I’m tweeting, tweeting, of course sounds like play right tweeting fun, but even tweeting, we can see an uptick in signups for our sass companies signups for our courses if I tweet business ideas versus joke, so no matter what I do, it’s almost I don’t I don’t want any pity but it’s right. It’s almost a little bit of a spoiled behaviour. Because if I do it with a certain with a certain finesse, what seems like play can turn into work and vice versa.
David Ralph [11:36]
But what you’re saying to me and I want to emphasise that there is a reality there’s an honesty Now, if you’ve listened to any episodes of Join Up Dots, and I don’t believe you should, Ryan because you’re out there living live. But if you if you do, one of the things that I hate is that fake reality that people online, demonstrate with infinity pools and Lear jets and Hot towels and all that kind of stuff. I say to people, it doesn’t work. Because I think from what you were saying, and I’m coming from the same place, that you can’t really love your work too much, because when it becomes your life, and then your life becomes your work, it’s almost better to go, right? A couple of days a week, I’m going to work really hard on something that pays the bills, but I don’t really care for it, but it pays the bills to Ben have the other five days really living a brilliant life, more than saying, I’m going to try to blend the two? Because I think that personally, I would much rather have a brilliant lifestyle away from the business, van a business but leads into a brilliant lifestyle that just merges.
Ryan Kulp [12:50]
I think that’s I think that’s right. But I’ve also I’ve also acknowledged I think a lot of us have in the midst of this pandemic that we don’t really have that many You know, our hobbies are just drinking and going out to eat. And so suddenly now when you can’t do that you realise that’s the only thing that was there. And I’d like to think I have more hobbies. And again, I mean, it has to be more there’s It can’t just be Netflix you can’t just eat You can’t just drink all day
David Ralph [13:15]
jigsaw puzzles Ryan jigsaw puzzles like that. Then a way forward, I tell you how you can lose hours of your life you don’t have to think about anything jigsaw puzzles are good for mental health and the ability to just leave it all behind.
Ryan Kulp [13:32]
Not untrue not untrue. Not good for while travelling right you gotta have you need less hardware on
David Ralph [13:39]
miking up fan making lap that’s totally free. Yeah, you’ve got the all the equipment you’re carrying around already. Bang, three times a day
Ryan Kulp [13:48]
even that even that takes five minutes. So now what do you do?
David Ralph [13:51]
Five minutes. That’s that’s four minutes begging and it’s all over in one hour does that work?
Ryan Kulp [14:00]
Exactly So, you know, it’s it’s been, it’s been a challenge. It’s been actually the the purpose of what we’re doing travelling and working was to get away from our friends. Because my, my, my hunch when I was in New York City was that I had developed these bad habits of just meeting people for drinks. And it’s easy to justify that when you’re up and coming in your career because you can always say, in the back of your head, you know, yeah, I don’t really want to drink tonight, but I want to network, you know, I should get to know this guy. He seems like a good person. And now she seems like a good person to meet. And then you do that over and over again. Six years later, you’re you’re like working out coholic functioning alcoholic in Manhattan and you don’t have any hobbies. So we left the city we cancelled our phone numbers. And yeah, okay, we’re working hard. But we’ve actually been healthier than ever right into this into this book. This journey, losing a lot of weight getting in better shape. We’ve slept more than ever. So New York, I would go to sleep at three or 4am wake up at 8:15am now we’re, you know, we’re not sleeping with alarms at all, even though we’re working hard, we’re kind of resting heart. And we’re able to, I think, fight some of our own, I want to call them demons, right? But when you are used to being around people every day, and suddenly now you have no friends, and you don’t even speak the language of whatever city you’re in, and all you can do is say, you know, TNS cold brew, and you know, put it in there, this that the other, it, it forces you to be a little bit introspective. So I think we’ve developed personal mental strength that hopefully will, will, will last us or provide value for a few more years, regardless of what we’re doing. And regardless of where we are,
David Ralph [15:38]
let’s listen to some motivational words. And we’ll be back with Ryan.
Jim Carrey [15:41]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job, and our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my Father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [16:08]
Now, before we move on to the second part of the show, and we are talking about fitness for hackers, was that ever part of your life? Did you look at things and think, well, it’s just a job that’s what people do? Or was there always this thing inside you that’s felt that you could do something different, and create your own income?
Ryan Kulp [16:28]
I definitely spend most of my life thinking that a job, corporate job particularly I always call it, you know, a cog in the machine was just like the destiny You know, I watched chairman’s show years ago and I just thought that’s how it goes and maximise and, you know, do whatever you can your nights and weekends to get your your life out of out of there. You know, have have your pizza rolls and your movies, and then the rest of the time you’re going to owe it to this big building and You’re going to have to drive there and you’re going to have to be like Jim from the office and just kind of be sweaty and have a ham and cheese sandwich. I really, I really believed that, that that was just like normal. And I think it’s normal. Statistically speaking, that’s normal. But I don’t think that’s normal for like our brains. I don’t think that’s normal for what humans are capable of our potential. And so I did get eventually into kind of forging our own path in the last few years with entrepreneurship. But that was not a grand plan. That was not something I imagined doing. I mean, even if you asked me 10 years ago, I would have thought I was going to be a rock star. You know, I didn’t enrol in college until after, you know, later after my friends did. I thought I was going to be a touring musician. So every few years of my life, a big changes come a new kind of paradigm shift. So I think potentially the good news there is, whatever you’re doing now, if you don’t like it, you know, it’s not forever, because I certainly have gotten through a few few movements myself.
David Ralph [17:56]
Well, we join up the dots Don’t worry, we move through and we realise about The experiences, even in jobs where we think there was nothing gained from it, that there’s something you can take it. It’s all a learning curve. Now, I want to go back to what you said, Ryan, I was fascinated by the fact that you realised there was gaps in your knowledge that you needed to upskill on. And you and your wife sat there in the evenings, learn coding and stuff. Because I find that certainly in online world, a lot of people do this. You have got all the skills, you’ve got the super talent already, you just have to transition it to an area that people want to pay for it. And I kind of go, I know what you’re saying, but you’ve got to do the work. You can’t just do that. There’s got to be a transition where you say, I’m 80%. Now I’m going to do the work to get the 20% You did it.
Ryan Kulp [18:53]
That’s a great point. And I agree, I think I think actually, you could agree with two statements at the same time. One is that you know, you have to rack up skills that other people don’t have. And that doing that is very intentional doesn’t happen by accident, you have to sit down and do the work. The other piece of that the truth to that is that you may have a very special skill, I believe people have very special talents that other people are willing to pay for. But that does not mean you inherently have the ability to communicate that skill or to teach that skill. You know, I think it’s very interesting. For example, this new company masterclass. We’ve all seen the YouTube commercials. So we sit down with Steve Martin we sit down with so and so they’re going to teach you about film. And I actually think one of the reasons we’ve we’ve had holdouts, a lot of these supposedly greatest directors, greatest musicians, greatest artists, why have they not taught us in the past? It’s because I don’t necessarily know if they know why they how they do what they do. You know, there’s too much like synthesis in their skills and there’s too many like, you know, the Beatles, you know, if you’ve looked into their backstory, it wasn’t just like, the right guys got together. It’s like they put in their 10,000 hours playing shows before there were the Beatles, you know? And it’s hard to teach that. And if you wanted to teach that no one would want to buy it if the Beatles said, hey, yeah, here’s my course. Firstly, you need to do play for 10,000 hours, no one would be interested in, in that. So I think both of these things are true, you might have some special skills people want to pay for, but there’s a separate skill or discipline in being able to disseminate that to other people in a way that’s that’s useful to them. And that’s I think, where a lot of people get stopped or they do the opposite they you know, the the money Twitter, I call them like the course guru guys, their only skill is the dissemination of content. You know, they’re good at making videos. They’re good at building course websites, the bill, they’re good at building long form, sales, copy landing pages, but they don’t actually have anything in their brain. That’s interesting to consume once you get on the other side of that paywall, so a lot of people kind of need each other in that way. But like you said, you have to kind of do the work on both ends to have not only a packet We’re selling but the ability to sell it.
David Ralph [21:02]
Yeah, I agree with that totally. And a lot of what I used to do in the early days of Join Up Dots, which didn’t really sell was great. It was good stuff. But I now think about I hadn’t lived it. And so why would people buy it? And I think that’s one of the things that you see time and time again, where people are working in Taco Bell, or an investment company on a Monday and then suddenly, they’re an expert on Tuesday, and you think yourself, there’s got to be that transition of really understanding your subject and going back to that master class. they reckon that’s one of the reasons why football managers or soccer managers as you would call it, who are well class players rarely make good managers because they can’t demonstrate what they can just do naturally. It’s almost like Okay, get the ball there and dribble past 15 players and knock it in the go. But normal players come and it’s the ones that are a decent level, but they’re not at bombs have the ability to actually understand what makes greatness instead of just right living greatness.
Ryan Kulp [22:09]
That’s right. Yeah, I don’t even have a comment to add.
David Ralph [22:12]
And that is why I’m a genius. podcaster Ryan, you see I, I throw it out in a conversation show and a guest just shuts up. Say that. That’s a big failing of running a podcast when the guest doesn’t have anything to come back with. Well, let’s listen to these words. And then we are going to be coming back to Ryan and we’re going to be talking about fitness for hackers.
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David Ralph [24:07]
So if you would love to become my next success story and have your own life changing online business following my step by step system, fine tuned over many years to take away the effort and expense that others struggle with, and come across to Join Up dots.com and book a free call with myself. Let’s get you living the easy life as it’s there waiting for you to get it that is Join Up dots.com business coaching. So we’re talking to Ryan Kulp, as we’ve heard in the first part of the episode, he is travelling the world making love on benches and just just enjoying himself. But there was a time that probably he wouldn’t be making love because he was overweight. He was crappy. He wasn’t fit for that. But now it’s a totally different situation. So fitness for hackers. When you said that you were sort of struggling with my weight. I’ve looked at people Have you strumming your guitar online? And to be honest, Ryan Kulp, I’d give you a go. I’d give you a go. That’s how I tried to view your look. So how flabby were you?
Ryan Kulp [25:11]
I was, I guess to put it in, put it in the language you understand. I was 100, some low 100 kilos, and then I got down to mid 70 kilos, something like that
David Ralph [25:23]
we do. You know, we do stones. So that is 15.74 Stone that’s quite large. It’s quite large.
Ryan Kulp [25:32]
Yeah, and it’s kind of like I realised there’s this, there’s this delineation between, like looking decent with clothes on and looking decent with clothes off. They’re actually you know, they’re different things to different worlds, and they’re different, as well. And depending on the season, you know, and everyone looks good. In the winter, you put on a nice big wool coat and earmuffs, very cute and then and then you’re good to go. And then a few months later you go man, I ate way too much pizza in the winter. And I just did that year after year and it was just really frustrating. And so I had that had to make a change. The classic like cliche turning point that changed was experimentation for a while. Trying to make it as simple as possible, but not simpler writing about it. Once you write something that’s more than, like a few thousand words, you can call it a book. So that’s pretty neat. And, and then I shipped it and really for me, because I think it’s very normal to be apprehensive about like, you know, fake gurus, it’s very normal to be apprehensive about like a book about fitness about just do that. So just do that. Any distro ristic theoretical life advice, I think we should all take with a very healthy dose of scepticism. But for me, each time I create something, whether it’s a side project, an app, of course, this this book fitness for hackers, a song You know, I’ve been writing music and recording for several years, you have to kind of put it into a category or a department in your brain. Like what is this for, you know, so some things you do, and we know we know this one was Well, we do to make money we do to pay bills, some things we do to make our partner happy to make the person in front of us laugh. And it’s easy to get carried away when you’re writing, reading, coding, whatever to think that all of that must necessitate the first use case making money income paying bills, but it doesn’t. I’ve tried to stub for myself for several years, a fourth category, a third category, which is to make a point. And so a lot of what I do is not to make money. It’s to make a point, it’s to maybe change one person’s mind. And once you do that, it frees you from needing to do certain things tactically, that might turn off an audience and ironically, it didn’t solve other, you know, solves other categories. So for example, I write fitness for hackers. And it’s my story with as much citations as I could find. Because I use citations as I experimented to get in better shape. I wrote it to make a point because I think a lot of hackers are fat and disgusting. But by ironically by not writing it by not writing it with the intent of, you know, let’s sell x thousands of copies or make y dollars, I think it actually will sell better and better, because there’s no, you know, it’s tricky, snippety persuasive copywriting in it that tries to make people feel bad about themselves. It’s just honest, because I wrote it with a different purpose. But because I wrote it to make a point, it’s actually going to make more money. So that’s kind of something that I’ve observed with a lot of projects, I’ll make a small side project for me, someone else says, Hey, actually, I would love a copy. Suddenly, you have user sign up and now you have a SAS app with customers, right? So that’s something to also keep in mind. And that’s been an interesting journey as we got this, this project launched a month or two ago, because I actually
David Ralph [28:51]
I’m a naturally skinny guy, and I do that quality business with my fingers naturally because the way I do it, I will be Potentially starve myself for two days just not eat anything. I’m not that bothered about eating and being like, just before we recorded here, I have a whole pack of Double Stuf Oreos because it was just in front of me. And once you eat a one, you can’t stop. And then I’ll be on like free bags of potato chips or crisps and I’ll just eat crap for a day. And then I go, why I can’t do that are a detox myself. So I have this kind of weird way of operating where people say, Oh, that’s not good for you. And I go, it might not be good for you. But look at me. Look at me. There’s not an insert of fat on me and look at yourself. And isn’t it Oh, just down to the fact that if you take in less calories, when you burn, then you’re going to lose weight. Surely, you know, that’s just it’s maps, isn’t it?
Ryan Kulp [29:50]
Yeah, I think I think the math is very simple. I think the motivation to do the simple math is difficult. And it’s a habit. It’s so I used to be Part of a gym when I lived in New York City, very nice gym, I enjoy it, maybe there’s one in in the UK equinox. And they have this really cool kind of branding In my opinion, it doesn’t feel fake it feels, you know, like it all goes all the way up the chain to the owner and the founder. And essentially what it says is it’s not like it’s not a task it’s a lifestyle you know, it’s a way of life and I think that’s true of fitness no matter whether you go to the gym or not, whether you’re a cyclist, whether you’re a power lifter, to actually be quote unquote good at, at at fitness, it has to be actually part of your life just like brushing your teeth as part of your life. You know, you don’t everyday belabour and agonise like, Am I going to brush my teeth today? You know, you have to brush your teeth or I don’t know what happens if you don’t brush your teeth. Like maybe you die, you know or your teeth fall out at the very least. So fitness has to be the same way but a lot of us tried to wrestle with fitness is like Well, I’m living my life and if I have 20 minutes to spare, although to fitness but you have to merge them and that starts with mindset and so no matter how easy that Math is calories in calories out. If you can’t get past some of these basic prerequisites, you’re never going to have the opportunity to do the math and so for me, like you said, You ate a double double stuffed Oreos. You know, it’s not for everyone but it works for you. You can binge purge and, you know, go a day and have a light meal and then maybe have Oreos. I can’t necessarily recommend that. But in my own life, I do something similar. So for seven months last year, I was carnivore from June through December, just as an experiment just for fun. I only ate meat, not a piece of bread, not a grain of rice, not any fruit, not any vegetables. Maybe a couple grilled onions by the end of the experiment.
David Ralph [31:42]
Stay woke up and had a lump of meat for breakfast.
Ryan Kulp [31:45]
Oh yeah, I would wake up and just cry. I mean, it got to the point where it only took maybe two or three months for this. I would wake up and immediately crave beef. I would crave like an entire pan of ground beef. I would crave a steak. It got a little bit have control. You know, I’ve spent more money on steak in a few months than probably my entire adult life combined. Did you
David Ralph [32:06]
ever wake up and see your wife laying sleeping by the side of you
Ryan Kulp [32:10]
just started licking her?
David Ralph [32:11]
Yeah, just breakfast. I don’t even have to get up.
Ryan Kulp [32:15]
She’s Yeah, exactly. It does. It does get like that. And I realised that’s something a friend of mine said, I won’t get into it. But a long story A long time ago is that you don’t eat what you crave. You crave what you eat. And so if you were to switch to something radical, like only eating, you know, soy, I hope not doing that but only eating soy or only eating steak. Actually, eventually, that’s all you’ll want to eat. First, it will feel gross, you know, first of all feel a little bit primitive and carnal. But then that’s all you’re going to want. And so I did that I did a few lipid panels. I got checked out, I got my cholesterol, I got my blood, and I was fine. And I was fine. And I was working out. And people said how can you do that? It’s like, well, this is what it takes. Or at least this is what it took for me to experiment to find the right combination and now fitness. Part of my life and so that’s kind of what I tried to talk about in the book and, you know, no frills, no, no fitness bands, no, no exercise equipment, affiliate sales. Just Just an honest story from someone who, who struggled for a long time and I think figured it out.
David Ralph [33:16]
The only time I ever feel like going to the gym is when I hear this.
I’ve ever done that I have never once been into a gym. And I don’t understand why people do it. I would pay to go swimming because I think swimming is amazing. And swimming is just the best exercise you can possibly have really, but I don’t understand why people pay to go to a gym when they can replicate all of it for free anyway, just, you know, just run down the streets or walk down the streets fast. Or I remember I was at work once and there was this real fit guy and he used to do all these sort of triathlons and Iron Man’s and stuff like that and one day He went to a wood bench test where you press against trees and you lift up rocks and stuff and it was just sort of wild man nature. Next day he couldn’t move. He could not move he never experienced anything like it and I said to him, there you go. I said that’s what you need to do you need to go and just press against a tree and you’ll be fit so why why do people feel they have to go to gyms? Is it the fact that because they’re paying no I was gonna say because they’re paying for it that they will go but the world must be full of memberships never being used. So why are people not just doing it naturally out in out in the wilds?
Ryan Kulp [34:40]
I think it’s a great question. I’m I’m a big fan of the gym. I I advocate for that kind of within the first chapter two of of the book because look, I think a lot of us need the the shared energy and motivation being around other people sweating. There’s something to that. You know what To gym or whether it’s out on a track and field, you know, being around other people who are putting in putting in the same kind of work, you build, you build a little bit of camaraderie even if you never shake their hands and say hi, you know, get to know them. There’s there’s something there. But I also think that aside, the psychology aside, a gym does have benefits in the efficiency of it. So yes, you could do 500 push ups at home, or potentially two or three sets of benchpress with enough resistance is going to give you a similar outcome in terms of in terms of muscle tension and growth. So to me that the gym is just a way to be to be part of modern society. You know, if you need to sit in front of a computer eight hours a day, it’s kind of a bummer. I do it. I do it every day, at least eight hours. But in order to kind of afford that time allotment for your computer, and you still want to not die, okay, be fit. You have to you have to be really efficient with your limited free time and so 30 minutes in a gym, even 18 to 20 minutes in a outfitted gym. With enough ingenuity of how to use the limited equipment, I think it’s going to actually be more, more successful and more productive than an hour of walking, running, push ups, sit ups, and, and I do all of that, you know, so I’m travelling, I don’t always have access to a gym. So I’ve been done getting into bodyweight fitness I began to experimenting with, you know, can I do 100 pushups a day and do this and this and then measure myself every week? Do I get bigger, smaller? Do I have more stamina but less strength more? So which one do I prefer bigger versus leaner? But a gym, you know, for now that for the time being, there’s no substitute in terms of its efficiency. And I think that shared camaraderie, you know, with other people, because most people are not going to be disciplined to do this kind of stuff on their own. Look at what’s happening right now, in the pandemic. You’ve got a lot of people complaining that they can’t, they can’t work out because their gym closed down. It’s like, well, there’s actually a lot of things you could do at home, you just don’t want to. So you know, I think I with you to some to some point that you can’t have this huge dependence on this, this room, this sweaty room playing piano that you don’t want to listen to. But at the same time, you know, there are benefits to it if you approach it the right way,
David Ralph [37:13]
because I’ve spent my life It seems travelling around America, and my favourite place is going into Walmart because you actually see people huffing and puffing and sweating just pushing a trolley around. And I think if you’re working out doing that, just leave the trolley behind and walk away from it. Just Just leave it for a day and come back. But um, yeah, it’s a very strange lifestyle that we’ve got into because I feel sorry for fat kids because fat kids aren’t in control of what they eat. You know, they’re basically told you gotta eat your play and unless you eat your plate, you can’t have afters or pudding or whatever you call it. So I can understand all that because my mom and dad were very much like no, you got a all your pays unless you can get anything else but adults Big Fat adults I think to myself, there’s got to be a point where you go up a size of trousers and think oh, okay, I need some new trousers. Then the second pair surely that’s the point when you go I should do something I should do. I’ve gone up to now. This is the moment but it’s not just me being naive as a skinny guy.
Ryan Kulp [38:21]
No, look, you’re absolutely right. And it actually probably wasn’t until two seconds ago that I even had any sympathy for fat kids. I think you’re right. I was also that kid. You know, I had to finish what was on my plate or I would be grounded. For me that meant I had to go to go to bed immediately after dinner. So at 6pm Sun still shining through my blinds I would hear my friends playing you know, baseball outside and I’m asleep because I didn’t finish my pool chicken taco, tasteless pool chicken taco. So I totally can can can sympathise with that. But once you’re an adult, it’s all your fault. You know, everything is your fault. If you’re fat, if you’re if you’re divorced. If you really anything bad that can happen to you is your fault. And likewise, anything good that happens to you, you’re welcome to take credit for it. You know, if you take too much credit and public, maybe people won’t like you, but it’s all up to you. And so that’s something that I tried to talk about, again, in my writing on my blog is first taking responsibility. So it’s mindset. And so someone said to me, the other day, or one of the reviews on this book was like, This is too anecdotal. It’s like, yeah, this isn’t really a fitness book. This is about developing a mindset that then enables you to be in the best shape of your life. And there’s an abstraction there that not everybody gets, but that’s okay. It’s not for everyone. But once you’re an adult, it’s your fault. And when when adults neglect themselves over and over again, what they’re really doing is neglecting everyone around them. Because if you are the third, and you don’t produce as high quality of work at your job, or now you’re kind of the kind of being a jerk at the very least to your junior employer. If you’re lethargic or you are decent, decently in shape, decent, stamina, decent, whatever, and then you get married and you use that as an excuse to fall behind, where you’re really disrespecting your husband or wife. And so these are all you know, I could go on and on about this, but it all starts with you at interview. Let’s, let’s suppose the cutoff is age 18. And then it’s all your fault.
David Ralph [40:19]
Now, I know a lot of people would have been listening to this podcast going, ah, you too annoying people. Yo, alright, you’ve sorted yourself out. You’re not overweight. You know, if my wife would smack you in the face, right? Because my, my wife gets really annoyed when we say to just don’t drink as much. Just just, you know, leave it behind for a few days. Don’t eat as much. Don’t eat as much don’t drink as much and work out, you know? And she says, Oh, no, it’s not easy for that. It’s all that for you. It’s all for you. Now, is there one thing that we can do that spins it on its head. It isn’t about fitness. It’s not about the end goal but gets people Pull started something small, you know, like don’t eat a whole packet of Oreos just before you’re about to record a podcast.
Ryan Kulp [41:09]
Yeah The first thing that comes to mind if we’re keeping it small is that is it like who is it it’s like a supermodel karlie Kloss or something like that. Skinny feeling is better than anything tasting. You know and I heard that a long time ago I was like hot I could put this to the test. And I’ve actually found it I think I still experienced this. I think all of us experienced this on a near daily basis which is you know, you go to the toilet and you go number two, and then you feel nice and empty and you feel nice and like cleaned out and you feel nice and like like not bloated. You know you almost feel like nice and hungry again like I could The world is my oyster I could do anything all that morning coffee is gone. Last night’s birthday cake is gone. And when you when you I think dedicate when you dedicate and make some of the fitness part of your life, that feeling that kind of nice. phenomenon is, is more present, it’s not just a fleeting 30 seconds a day, it’s like you could have an entire days or half days or work days where you just really feel good about yourself. So if all of the shaming and the body stuff doesn’t work for you, that’s fine. It’s all about finding what does. What about just simply feeling good, you know, and this this works, whether you’re married or single or asexual and have no interest in anyone, just feeling good versus feeling sluggish. Is is a feeling I think that’s worth chasing. And I found that you know, the way to do it is it’s very simple, but we can’t lie to ourselves. So you know, I like drinking as much as the next person. I love drinking, like I love drinking, probably my biggest struggle, not in terms of necessarily temptation, but in terms of my mindset, has been saying to myself every couple months for the last year and a half, you know, do I want to ban drinking from my life forever, because I know I’ll be healthier if I do, or do I want to keep doing it and try to do it in moderation. And I keep going back and forth. But I think my ultimate decision Look, I love drinking. So for guard, regardless of the health detriments, it doesn’t really make sense to not do something that I genuinely love doing. I just have to do it a new way. Right? So maybe I have to do like, you know, a wine and not like a cocktail. I definitely don’t drink beer anymore. So maybe I’d do like a harder mixed drink versus you know, something that’s sugary. So there are still ways to navigate even once you’ve made some decision, you know, I’m not going to give up my toaster struggle, I’m not going to give up my alcohol, whatever, whatever your advice is, you can still you can still work it in and kind of achieve your other goals.
David Ralph [43:37]
A strange drink, though, isn’t it? Because I’m probably drink six pints a year, I hardly touch anything. But if I have a curry, I like a beer with it, you know, and the two had to go together. And a lot of people had that hand in hand approach. You know, it’s the social element by like more than the drinking, or it’s the, you know, sitting down and what watching a football match with a bag of potato chips. It’s that kind of hand in hand approach. And that is quite difficult to break, isn’t it when there’s that synergy between something that you do like, and then something that kind of joins it somehow.
Ryan Kulp [44:14]
Yes, that’s, that’s absolutely a thing, right? quote thing. For example, I used to go to the movies and it was unthinkable to go to a movie and not get popcorn, and a drink. Now, it’s easy enough to get like a diet soda. You know, you don’t have to drink sugar, but you still you know, you go to a movie, you get a popcorn and a diet soda every single time without fail and walk out of the movie theatre feeling like crap, you know, because I ate the whole popcorn. And and I drank the whole soda. And then I started experimenting. I joined rest in peace, but it’s called movie pass. Now Now they’re dead. It was like, you know, 20 bucks a month for unlimited movies at the theatre. And you know, living in New York City. There’s a lot of movie theatres. I was going to 678 10 movies a month for several months, and I started to experience You know, don’t buy the soda don’t buy the popcorn or only get a small sugar free soda. And it’s kind of fascinating because I spent so many occasions going to the theatre loading up on this stuff and anticipating walking out of a dark Theatre in the middle of a sunny day feeling like crap, that when I went to a theatre, and did nothing, I just sat there, but I just sat there and watched it like a crazy person. And then I walked out of the theatre, having finished the movie and didn’t feel like crap. It’s like, Oh, I can enjoy entertainment. And it doesn’t have to kill my body to do that. And once you start to break that chain, then you can go home and you can binge on Netflix and you don’t have to crush a pizza. Now, sometimes I’d crush a pizza, but not every time not as often as I used to. And that’s made all the difference.
David Ralph [45:47]
So this is the key Ryan, we’ve just hit it. I haven’t made this is a home run. It’s not cutting out stuff. It’s just looking at why you’re bringing stuff into your life at certain times. Thinking Can I replace it every now and again?
Ryan Kulp [46:04]
That’s right. And look, sometimes you’ll have I actually credit some of these insights and the very simple but personal insights to two friends of mine. So in New York City probably is the same in just about any major city. People want to meet up and they want to have drinking is like the backdrop, whether it’s for networking, whether it’s for catching up with someone you haven’t seen since school, you know, you’re probably going to go to a bar, you might eat greasy food. And again, you’re going to walk out of there feeling happy that you saw that friend and feeling physically sluggish and regretful about the menu choices you made. And I’m so sick of doing that. And then a friend of mine in New York City, this is years ago. He says, Hey, man, like haven’t seen in a while. Why don’t we go get a protein shake together? They’re like, Ah, you know, like, why perfect. So we go meet and like a juice bar, and we get a smoothie and you know, pretty healthy tastes good. No extra sugar walk around the park. As like wait. I can have a catch up with someone and not destroy my body. And that was such a simple, simple instance instance of that. But I’ve tried to recreate it, you know, over and over again. And so once once you do that you kind of unlock you kind of unlock this finding that you know, you don’t have to sacrifice things you want to do. Because what you really wanted to do as I catch up with this friend, you’re just used to making the lazy choice which is like let’s catch up at the pub instead of catch up at the smoothie bar.
David Ralph [47:26]
Now fitness for hackers obviously is a book that you produced is out there now you can go over to all good book shops and maybe rubbish book shops as well. I’m sure they all stopped them and and by fitness for hackers. Now, is this something that because as you’re talking about it, you sound extremely passionate about it. It seems like it’s not just a thing. It’s not just a book, it feels like this might be your legacy work. Does it feel that your body of work is moving towards system now?
Ryan Kulp [47:59]
Well, it doesn’t actually I’m trying to kind of live out the ideas in the book as we’re even saying this and part of that is public commitment. So one of the things I encourage readers to do is make some kind of public commitment. It could be to your boyfriend girlfriend, it could be a tweet. I certainly have done that, hey, you know, by x date, I’m going to be able to lift y amount of weight or my, my waist size will be so many inches or centimetres. And in America since the entire book is that public commitment, you know, I cannot ever, ever, ever get fat again, because I wrote a book called fitness for hackers. And so if you see what’s going on there writing the book was another way to sort of like lock myself into this be healthy gym, be healthy prison. I can never get fat again because I because I literally put something called fitness for hackers with my name on on the internet, and that’s never going to go away. So my fear of being called and labelled a hypocrite rightfully so if I were to get fat is now part of that fuel. To to prevent it from ever happening. So I tried to encourage readers to do that in their own life, whatever that means for them. And again, it also starts and that’s where I really think the passion is coming from. It starts with me just observing that a lot of people in technology are fat and disgusting. And they’re also self righteous about it, and they think that they like are doing the world, you know, a service like, well, I, I fix bugs too am and, in fact, so that you can take an Uber, you know, it’s like, well, they don’t have to both be true. Yeah, you can. You can be healthy and I can take an Uber, you’re not you’re not like a martyr, but I think a lot of people in tech think they’re martyrs. And I’m kind of over that. And so this is sort of a call to arms against that misconception. Oh, great stuff. All right. I like that. And
David Ralph [49:46]
I’ve got a bag of crisps here though. You can hear them I’m rattling them. They’re right there right in front of me and they they’re calling my name but I’m not gonna eat them. I’m going to I’m going to leave them to the side only because I’ll be in another two bags just before I started. But I’m not gonna go for the third. That is my public commitment. Do I deserve a round of applause? Sir?
Ryan Kulp [50:08]
No comment. I you know, I don’t know your normal Christmas habit. But if it makes you feel better, that’s the that’s the bedrock of all of it.
David Ralph [50:16]
I’m giving myself a round of applause. I don’t care what you say, Ryan, I don’t care what you say this is. This is my show. I can press that button. Right. This is the parlour showdown that we’ve been leading up to. This is what we call a sermon on the mic when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back and join up your dots and give some advice to young Ryan, what age would you speak to and what advice would you give him? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play in a theme and when it fades, it’s your turn. This is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [50:55]
The best bit of the show
Unknown Speaker [51:00]
Unknown Speaker [51:01]
Ryan Kulp [51:12]
well, Ryan, you are 18 1920 years old, and you’re very anxious about the future and you think everything has to happen in the next three months or three hours, you think you have to become a rockstar before you’re 21 or nobody will care. You think you have to make a certain amount of money before you’re 25 or you’ll never figure it out. And all of this is false. The truth is, Ryan life is actually really, really long. And every time you get bored, here’s the way to know that every time you get bored, that’s that’s that’s like the universe telling you life is long. You don’t even know what to do with yourself. You’re so bored because life is so long. So what you need to do is stack up your skills you need to learn special things. You need to learn how to do things. dinner for other people very difficult. And then what you’ll achieve is this supply demand thing where everybody wants to, and you have your choice of, of the litter. So that’s why you need to spend your 20s doing, you need to start now, not start when you’re 27, like, like this other version of you did in the parallel reality that’s talking to you right now. But you need to start now. And also you need to realise, if possible, and it’s, it’s never too late. So if you don’t start now, don’t beat yourself up. But life is life is long, and you have plenty of time to make as much impact as you want and to try over and over and over again.
David Ralph [52:36]
Right powerful stuff. So Ryan, what’s the number one best way that our audience can connect with you?
Ryan Kulp [52:41]
I would like to think it’s Twitter. So just Ryan c cope on Twitter Ryan C. cope calm, Ryan c cope really anywhere except LinkedIn, Facebook and Instagram and Ashley Madison, I did not have profiles on those websites, but Twitter and the.com.
David Ralph [52:55]
We will have over links in the show notes to make it as easy as possible to connect with you wherever you You are whatever McDonald’s you’re sitting in across the world, you will be connected. Well, thank you so much for spending time with us today, joining up those dots of your life. And, as always, please come back again, when you’ve got more doctor join up, because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our paths, it’s the best way to build our futures. Ryan Kulp, thank you so much.
Ryan Kulp [53:20]
Thank you for having me.
David Ralph [53:24]
Mr. Ryan Kulp Oh, he decided he wanted to travel the world, but he knew that there was gaps in his knowledge. So instead of just ploughing out and hoping for the best, he looked at what other people wanted, and he could offer and then became as good as he possibly can over and it’s quite simple, isn’t it? When you think about that you find out what other people are doing. But you fancy doing anything, right? How much can I actually do now and what do I need to upskill and boom, there’s your business brilliant stuff. So until next time, everybody. Thank you so much for listening. Anybody want Drop us a line and pose any questions about your life or things that are going on or whatever, we will share them on the upcoming solo show. But until next time, stay with us. Stay with us because I need you here. I really need you. That was Join Up Dots. Cheers, bye.
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