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Introducing Street Dating Expert Johnny Berba
Street dating expert Johnny Berba is today’s guest joining us on the Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview.
Johnny is an amazing guy who has already been on the show back on episode 497 and shared his journey from lost soul to street dating success.
He is a street dating expert who does things in a very different way to how most men operate across the world.
Instead of trying to pick ladies up in I suppose the expected places..nightclubs and pubs.
Johnny Berba walks up to ladies bodily on the streets of the UK and confidently gets telephone numbers and addresses.
How The Dots Joined Up For Johnny Berba
As he says “I decided that I would no longer hit the nightclubs and would drop all the pickup lines and routines.
It was time to return to the streets to find a girlfriend.
Just work on being myself and allow my conversations to freely flow in whatever direction they would naturally go.”
Gaining confidence in his new found skills he started going out on the streets of London.
He would film his interactions for fun and posting them on Youtube.
Not just his successes, as he also added the process of filming, monitoring, and allowing all the mistakes he was making shown to the world.
Slowly and steadily he fined tuned them for better results.
His channel started growing slowly and caused stirrings within the London dating world as many believed that being ‘a natural’ was not the way to go.
Ignoring this, he stayed strong and continued to push his beliefs which eventually led to inspiring a large platform of guys to take action.
Now his business is going from strength to strength.
And it seems to me he is enjoying it more than ever.
So has he got to the point where the money making aspects of running a business are getting easier and easier?
And are there things now that he realised he was never going to enjoy doing, although were a big part of his earlier business.
Well let’s start joining up dots with the one and only street dating expert Johnny Berba.
During the show we talked to Johnny Berba about such weighty subjects such as:
How the street dating legend has grown from the geeky young man at school to a confident and successful businessman.
Why by winning the inner game you will win the outer game not just in business but in life too.
Johnny shares how his early stages of online life was based around comedic routines, more than a structured business plan.
We talk about how Johnny has moved away from street dating and is expanding into new areas of income.
How To Connect With Street Dating Expert Johnny Berba
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Audio Transcription Of Johnny Berba Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph
David Ralph [0:25]
Yes. Good morning to Well, good morning, and welcome to every single person who has been listening to join up dots for five years now. Yes, five years, we’ve been doing this little old show. And so the people that send messages to me but go, I’ve been going back to episode one and Episode Two, and you sound very different. Yeah, it’s a journey. It’s a journey we have to go on. And it’s a confidence that we build up by doing our thing. And if we do our thing more than we possibly can hope to do, we should get better at it. And that is certainly Today’s the case with today’s guest. He is a street dating expert. And he’s a he’s an amazing guy who’s already been on the show back on episode 497, and shared his journey from last soul to street dating success. He’s a street dating expert, which will become clear later, who does things in a very different way to how most men operate across the world. Instead of trying to pick up ladies. In a I suppose the expected places of night clubs and pubs. He walks up to the ladies boldly on the streets of the UK and competently gets telephone numbers and addresses. Now, as he says, I decided that I would no longer hit the nightclubs and would drop over pickup lines and routines, it was time to return to the streets, to find a woman just work on being myself and allow my conversations to freely flow in whatever direction they wouldn’t naturally go. Now gaining confidence and these newfound skills he started going out in the streets of London many years ago now. And he would build these interactions for fun, and Ben started posting them on YouTube, not just the successes, as he also added the process of filming, monitoring, allowing all the mistakes he was making shown to the world and slowly and steadily, he fine tune them but better results. And these channels started growing slowly and cause stirrings within the London baiting world, as many believe that being natural was not the way to go. ignoring this Yes, he ignored this he stayed strong and continued to push his beliefs, which eventually led to inspiring a large platform of guys to take action. Now his business is going from strength to strength and it seems to me he’s enjoying it more than ever. So has he got to the point where the money making aspects of running a business are getting easier and easier and other things now but he realized he was never going to enjoy doing although we’re part of his earliest success. Well, let’s find out as we start join up dots with the one and only street dating expert Johnny Berba.Morning, Johnny, how are you sir?
Johnny Berba [2:59]
Good morning David. I’m really good mate. Thanks for having me on. Again. It’s a pleasure.
David Ralph [3:03]
It’s a delight. Again, I asked just before we start, you’re not going to turn your seduction skills on me. You’re not going to have me, me draped in Marmite or something naked on your desk by the end of the show? Are you?
Johnny Berba [3:16]
Yeah, I’m gonna try all my tricks on you, David.
David Ralph [3:18]
I tricks Johnny tricks. Always he did this he gets this as a professional. Is it just being natural? Or is it tricks?
Johnny Berba [3:27]
No, I’m just I’m only up in a job. No, actually, there’s no tricks. My whole sort of approach is about being honest and genuine and just talking and, you know, it’s hard to sort of over explain it. Because when you get rid of the tricks, you just be honest and genuine. And it’s just, I don’t really know how to explain it and just be yourself. Just speak and just see where it goes.
David Ralph [3:52]
And and would we say because I know the men of the world are gonna be clinging to this. And I don’t want to just direct it to the men in the world. So before we proceed into the conversation, does this work? Ladies as well? Could ladies just walk up to anyone they want with your skills and your knowledge? Or is it a kind of manly thing you’ve created?
Johnny Berba [4:12]
Well, it’s interesting, you said it because it does work for him. And I’ve got a woman fan and she messaged me saying I went out and tried your method. And I got an instant coffee with a guy and she was really happy. And she follows all my live streams. So apparently, it does work for women as well. So that that’s been really nice, because in the earlier days only really taught men I didn’t think about directing it towards women, but women seem to be gravitating towards the teaching and the philosophy that I’ve been sharing with the world. So yeah, definitely works women, too.
David Ralph [4:46]
And what about lesbians? Because I think that with a woman, a woman is onto a winner any way she could turn up in diving helmet and a parsnip under her arm and she would still get a coffee when she?
Johnny Berba [5:00]
Yeah, well, I think it’s an interesting question. I think what you’re really saying is David would honestly work on people. And in my experience, yes. And of course, not everyone is going to accept you, you will get rejected. But in the in the grand scheme of things? To answer the question, yes. Because we’re talking to people here. If you’re genuine and honest with people, most people would appreciate it. And if they don’t, they’ll probably politely reject you. And so it’s all really about, it’s all about having the confidence to be honest and be vulnerable with people. So whether it’s a woman talk to a woman, a man talking to a man or a man or a woman, it definitely works.
David Ralph [5:38]
Well, I can imagine it does. But my question was that if a woman came up to me and said, you know, you look nice, and let’s go out for coffee. I think I’d think when I’m straight in there, you know, that’s brilliant. I don’t think that most men would be a battle I wouldn’t be a struggle would be?
Johnny Berba [5:58]
Well, it’s interesting, you say that, because it’s happened to a few of my clients, is happening a few times, and the initial reaction from a lot of men is shock. They’re in disbelief, I can’t believe that a woman’s come up to them. So the initial most guys logically will say, I’d love a girl talk to me. But when it happens, you’re not expecting it. Unless you’re kind of used to it. It’s a bit of a shock. So I think naturally, men will go into shock. And then their ego will be celebrating and then they’ll probably accept it if they’re attracted to the girl, but it’s really flyering when it happens, it’s probably more rare. Women coming up to men than it is mankind to women. But it does definitely happened. And this happened to me as well.
David Ralph [6:38]
Well, let’s take you back to the early days because to be on this journey, and it’s all about honesty on this show. You wasn’t the best looking teenager I’ve ever seen. So I would I would imagine that you weren’t.
Johnny Berba [6:54]
My mom would kill you for that. My mom heard you say that she’ll strangle you David
David Ralph [6:59]
always think about their kids are the best looking. But certainly we grow into ourselves. Don’t wait and you you have grown into yourself, you are a sexually attractive man now, and quite frankly, journey, you could turn me quite easily. But I’ve seen pictures of you in your school uniform. And it basically screamed virgin for the rest of your life. Now, you’ve turned that around into a super talent. So take our listeners who maybe haven’t listened to Episode 497 to that young guy, being photographed at school feeling odd feeling out of place and feeling as far away from the street dating expert that you’ve become but it’s possible to be.
Johnny Berba [7:42]
Well, like I said, in all honesty, I think how I look back then reflected how I felt and pretty much what you said I felt awkward I thought ashamed of what embarrassed ugly. And that projected, you could say that you could say that uncomfortable, socially troubled, young boy. What is inspiring for anyone, what isn’t has been inspiring for me objectively, kind of judging myself is that I worked on myself and spent years on personal development and taking a lot of action and developing myself and getting mentor so I physically look more attractive. Now, as I’m older. And I’m spiritually much more better with myself inside. I feel Obviously, I’m not perfect. I’ve got hang ups, like everyone, but I’m in a good place and probably the best place I’ve ever been. And that’s been an ongoing, you know, improvement through building my confidence. So really, yeah, I guess that’s really what it is. And yeah,
David Ralph [8:43]
it’s it’s a confidence thing. That’s what you’re saying, once you actually develop your own thing, your competence, people naturally like that, you know, because we see, and I’m not giving any names, but with we will see people on TV, that the God given gorgeous people that you would expect to have a big following, but because they’ve got this kind of charisma and competence. You don’t see the physicality and we are all very, I suppose, programmed by what we see. First of all, competence gets you past that, doesn’t it?
Johnny Berba [9:21]
Well David what I would say is I call it to truth. The first truth is, of course, the world judges everyone on how they look. That’s how the ego functions. So when you first see someone you can’t help it, your mind will judge them on how they look. Your perception of them. But the second truth, the battery firelight, the more deeper loving truth. If you work on yourself, and really work on yourself, and not just read books, but go out face your fears, develop confidence, do public speaking, speak to people help people interact with people consciously go to the gym, you start to build this in a conference, I call it a quiet confidence. And people, people sense it, then they start to see it. So if you work on the inside, even if a guy physically isn’t great looking, he will start looking more attractive. And I never knew that years ago, I would never believe that someone would have said that, to me. I was just fought Yeah, they’re just, it’s just optimism and you know, telling me trying to make me feel good, but it’s true. And you’ve kind of reminded me of that by bringing out today because I sort of forget that sometimes I’ve seen it with clients where they don’t look great when they come to me. But after maybe six months or 12 weeks, they physically look more attractive, their eyes look brighter, a smile that they just physically change is kind of profound.
David Ralph [10:38]
So what you’re saying is as in physicality, as business as well, by winning the inner game, you win, the outer game is all about getting yourself going so that you stand a head start really and if you lose them internally, it’s gonna, it’s gonna come out people are gonna see that.
Johnny Berba [10:58]
Yeah, I don’t like to use the word loser, but I know what you’re getting at. And, you know, to put it boldly, yes, if you don’t, if you don’t feel good about yourself on the inside, all the time, then of course, that’s going to project out post, people are going to send some pics, whether you’re in business or wherever you’re doing, people, people are not stupid, they’ve got a sense. And as you said, you can sort of see someone online and get a sense of where they’re at, and if things are going well for them or if they’re bullshitting or if they’re struggling. But I think that’s inspiring, because that kind of always directs us towards being honest with ourselves. And if we’re not in a great place, that’s, that’s totally fine. We can get into a good place by working on ourselves. And that’s kind of my core message, you know, you can start from, you know, you can be homeless, you can be broke, you can be depressed, you can be suicidal, and you can work from that place you you can become a millionaire, you know, you can achieve anything, but you do have to put the work in it isn’t just going to happen by yourself sitting on your ass and just sitting at home and watching porn and, and blaming everyone. So you have to come
David Ralph [12:07]
on. Yeah, you’re talking?
Johnny Berba [12:10]
No, you’re not about you. You’re You’re an amazing man, you know, you’re very successful and wasn’t alluding to you. But I guess I get passionate about this, because I kind of want to shake people up that casino kind of complain that they can’t do it. So it’s doable. And you’re right. I’ve kind of later realize even in business, like for example, you invited me on the show a couple of weeks ago, I actually really wanted to go on some shows already fancy there. And I meditated. And I’ve gotten free shows, I’ve gotten your show I did a radio show yesterday. I don’t know if any of you have another guy that all come about in a week and a half. But that was because I did a lot of work prior to sort of having that sort of affirmation and saying to the universe, you know, I want to get on some shows, I really feel like connecting with people like yourself and sharing my story. And now it’s become a reality. So that was the inner work I’ve done and I’ve been living quite good. I’ve been keeping away from the porn, you know, keeping away from just trying to stop, you know, the negativity is like judging people getting angry and nothing going Jim so if you work on the inside, you start attracting better things on the outside. It’s it’s a, it’s a really beautiful, profound truth. But I do think sometimes it gets oversimplifies and people say, you know, attract what you think, yes, that’s true. But you still have to do work with that you have to take action.
David Ralph [13:26]
Absolutely. And your action started many, many years ago, when you started putting your, your videos online. Now I watch a lot of them when I’m preparing for you to come on. And what you do is genius. I’m quite a competent guy, I can talk to anyone. But the thought of just going up to a complete stranger who is at lunch walking along. it qualifies me I think to myself, I don’t think I could do that. I think I would naturally go into kind of, you know, less than competent, geeky person. Um, how do you get your guys to overcome that fear because that’s a biggie, isn’t it?
Johnny Berba [14:06]
I’m really good. I think I was naturally a good teacher. And because I’ve been doing it for so long, I’m very good at changing people’s states of consciousness or just motivating them in a very gentle way. Sometimes I can do it in more of a forceful way. So I could help you to change that conversation. You are great with people you aren’t actually very confident David and, and social. So I would help you to transfer that in a new situation where you’re terrified and uncomfortable. So I’m good at making people feel strong and courageous. Whilst feeling terrified and uncomfortable, I would make you work from that place of being uncomfortable. And however you fell, I wouldn’t change that I would make you work from insecurity and build you up. If that’s even a word to security, or the opposite of insecurities, confidence, right? Self assurance, wherever, so I would work with you, and then transform you into your best self. But I would do that by gradually getting you to go up and say hello, and slowly putting you in the deep end. Or I might just throw you straight in the deep end and give you a shock and see how you survive in that situation. So everyone can do it. I’ve worked with so many guys who said they can’t do it. And no one believes they can do it until they do it David that’s the beauty of the teaching. We always think we can’t do something. But when we’re forced in that situation, our instincts kick in, usually we can do it.
David Ralph [15:28]
So things like you know, how do you like your breakfast, and all those kind of things that don’t work anymore, they’ve gone up a
Johnny Berba [15:37]
lot? Well, because you’re like me naturally charming and cheeky. And you’re coming from quite a quiet place, you can say anything you want. If you’ve got good intentions, you’ll get aware of it. But if you if you’re in a negative place, and you say that a girl or someone might get offended and upset, you know, people like we’re all contradictions. And if we like someone, and they make us feel good, we sort of let them get away with saying anything that I want to ask if we don’t like them. And we don’t feel comfortable. Anything they say to us, we might get offended or angry or upset. So it’s just having all of these understandings, and they’re all things that we kind of all naturally know. So the stuff I learned out on the street was stuff that was just very intuitive. As a kid, I just had to transfer that confidence and learn how to speak to women in a really sort of difficult social situation that society really sort of doesn’t advocate. And once you do it in and sort of get into it. It’s kind of very, very normal. It’s all about the way that you see it. But I do understand for sort of Joe Bloggs, who hasn’t done it, it’s gonna look terrifying, and it’s going to look different and strange, but it’s like anything, you know, when you start practicing it, it becomes the norm.
David Ralph [16:48]
Well, let’s spin it on its head for a moment, we’re going to listen to some motivational words. And then we’re going to come back with the actual development of your business. His Jim Carrey
Jim Carrey [16:58]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [17:24]
Now with yourself, Johnny, it seems like something took hold of you. It didn’t seem like you actually had a master plan. It was just that you started trying stuff. And then it developed into something. Now can you remember your very early videos that you put on La still online? Can people go back in and see the beginnings of Johnny Berber?
Johnny Berba [17:48]
Yeah, I think the channel was almost like a life journey. It’s like it’s all there. And I’m a little bit a bit embarrassed look back at some old stuff. But people I’ve said, you know, you can see your changes. throughout each video, you’ve grown and stuff like that. But yeah, you’re right, actually what you said earlier, there wasn’t any plan. I wasn’t business savvy, I didn’t go to a business course I didn’t even know how to make 100 pounds and leave that to sell to someone. These are things that I just naturally learned along the way. And it started off as RB something I enjoyed. And then people started offering me to pay me it no small amount of money an hour, 1015 pounds an hour. And I was I was pleased with that. And then the business side sort of came a little bit after I started realizing where I realized I could I could get paid for this and do it as a full time living. And then later on I started to study business. But it’s interesting David you know, the stuff that I learned out on the street with me in women and teaching that really helped me in business is it is pretty much really the same apart from obviously, when you’re selling coaching to someone taking on a client, there’s no sexuality or in way but the sort of the way that you communicate and close it is really the same as walking up to a woman, you know, give it you know, starting rapport, asking for a number closing texting that number following up going on a date is the principles are so some know, it’s really fascinating to see how all of these truths are connected, even though they’re different areas like dating, business relationships, public speaking, you know, interviews like this. So there’s, there’s a similar law within all of them.
David Ralph [19:31]
So the guy out there in Bora Bora lane, or wherever and he’s listening to this podcast, he thinks this sounds good. Not only do I create a business where I get a hopefully a little bit of jiggy, jiggy action, I can actually get paid for developing my jiggy, jiggy skills. Is that something that you would say, can translate anywhere? Is this a UK phenomenon is, what would you say?
Johnny Berba [20:00]
I’m sort of reluctant to say yes, because you know, that whole thing when they say it worked for me may not work for everyone else. But I still think
David Ralph [20:09]
it’s building relationships, you say, isn’t it? So wouldn’t that work everywhere?
Johnny Berba [20:15]
I think it does, I think but it does come down to the individual applying it because I can give someone all my principles David and teaching and, and business strategies, but if they don’t have the enthusiasm, or they don’t have the confidence to apply it, then it probably won’t work for them. But if they’ve got the right enthusiasm, and they’re passionate, and they can be authentically who they are within the principles that I give them, and of course, it can work for them. So a lot of it comes down to work ethic is how you work it just because someone gives you the truth, you still have to work that true for that strategy. And if you don’t put the enthusiasm behind it, it’s not gonna it’s not gonna, it’s not going to succeed.
David Ralph [20:54]
So you’re sitting there on your bed, in your lucky pants, thinking to yourself what I’m gonna do, I’m gonna go out and start filming my interactions on on YouTube. It seems a strange jump. I wonder what was going through your head at that age? Was it just to push yourself? Or was it back there was the idea is have a slight business out there? What Why would you do that? Because most people, that’d be the last thing that they would do.
Johnny Berba [21:23]
Well, to be honest, at the start, I started off like, as a comedian, I didn’t take it serious. So it was I was planning on doing like, a show like Trigger Happy TV, me and my friend and we were going out chatting up goals. But we were doing a lot of sort of comedy pranks, because I always have that sort of side to me. Yeah. So I didn’t take it serious. I thought I was a complete laughingstock going up to women and chatting them up, I was half being a little bit like algae, or Bora. But then people started writing to me online going, that was brilliant. And I just couldn’t believe it. I just thought I was sort of taking the piss out of myself. And then I started to think, Oh, well, maybe I have something here. And then I became more serious about it. When I saw when I started to become more serious about wanting to find a girlfriend and and, you know, kind of get out of having a bad day in life. And maybe unconsciously, the comedy was a way of me dealing with my pain and hiding my insecurities. So it went from comedy to taking it very serious, but what just enjoying it and kind of being frustrated with all of the untruths and the day in industry in the dating world of saying that you have to use lines on women, and you have to say this and you have to be a certain way. I just thought I’m sick and tired of this. I’m sick and tired of this bollocks. Because I’ve got I’ve got real experience that you don’t have to be all of these things that the media and all the magazines are saying. So that was exciting. But there was a kind of righteous frustration and anger in me to sort of challenge everything that was sort of told to me and that kind of made me feel inadequate, and Lacock wasn’t good enough to meet women. So if that makes sense, within everything I said that was how I felt then that was what was going on. And that’s where it started from. And then it came a lot more sort of loving. As the videos developed as I got more confident. And when I started to teach people, that’s when I really sort of got passionate. So the energy just sort of picked up and continued. And it was a lot of the fans that gave me that energy. And I was aware of so many really nice people. And helping them to get results gave me more confidence. Because when I first started David I add my own fears. I wasn’t sure if I could get people in relationships or get them a day I was having anxieties could I be a good teacher. And then when I started to get results of people that gave me a lot more confidence to put the YouTube videos out have more of a you know, like a more of a kick a powerful energy in the message.
David Ralph [23:51]
And one of the things that you will probably struggle with because I struggle with it as well. I teach people to create a global hip hop cost. As I’ve done myself, I teach people how to start online businesses or to take their online business and really make it sort of more profitable than they can imagine. But even though and you’ve alluded to this yourself, even though I teach them exactly what works, because I’ve done it, there’s a big area where people will take it halfway, but don’t go any further. And then we’ll come back and say it doesn’t work. He’s a fraud. He’s a charlatan. And we see this online all the time, Johnny with the keyboard warriors, but are quite easy to sit in there lucky. And bash out that Johnny doesn’t know what he’s talking about. And I bought his course and it doesn’t work. But ultimately, it’s down to them. How do you deal with that? How do you deal with that negativity that will naturally come to you by doing what you do?
Johnny Berba [24:52]
It’s funny that you said that because this happens to one of my friends who’s very successful in the in property, and he’s gets people great results. But he also has people, you know, saying these things about him. I think I’m really good at dealing with it, because I think I’m used to it. And there’s periods where I didn’t get it much. And then there was periods where I did have a few clients attack me and say that I didn’t teach him right. It didn’t work. I don’t know, I’m just quite balanced of it. I don’t think it affects me that much. I think I’ve been for a lot. And if it’s if it’s something on a message online, it doesn’t bother me. You know, people call me all sort of heinous names online, and also get a lot of good feedback. But I know what you mean, it’s, I think if someone says it in person, it can affect me a bit. I did have a guy I work with, it’s quite rare. But you said it was great. And that the last session, you said to me that I’m not as positive as I am on YouTube in person. And I said, Well, everyone has a bad day, I can’t always be the the charismatic, outgoing guy, I’m human. And you know, this has been a day where I’m a little bit tired. And I’ve gave every I can’t help you and you’ve got great results, but you’re not seeing that. So I always try and be fair with people. But if they overstep the mark, and they say things that are not true, I will I will challenge them with it gets too far. Go report it to the police, you know, because the end of the day, none of us deserve to be abused by anyone, even former clients. So that’s kind of
David Ralph [26:23]
interesting. Yeah, I bet it’s interesting with back because you have got a street persona, you have a professional, you are doing your job, as I am on a podcast on a podcast, I’m very different to what I would be in the rest of my life. And people say that to me, oh, you’re not like you are on the show. And I go well, no, because I’m doing the show, you know, and I always say to them, you wouldn’t walk into the kitchen and go, I’m gonna have a cup of tea today, you just say I’ll have a cup of tea, you know, very flat, and it’s, it’s the competence, you’ve got to put into certain areas. And I think that guy’s a bit strange, decided that you’ve got to be Uber competent, Johnny, every part of your life, we are multifaceted characters only.
Johnny Berba [27:08]
We are but I understand his what he meant. Because what happens is when you become famous or successful, people pedestal eyes, you and they get they get obsessed with the image and what they don’t realize, later on that we’re not the image, that’s just our brand, you know, so they expect you to be you know, they expect you to be this perfect kind of image. And when you don’t live up to that, they get disappointed, or some people get happy when they see that you’re vulnerable, like, like they are. So it’s, it’s another thing that I’ve had to come to terms of and sort of grow past mature and, and realize that it happens to a lot of people that are successful, and that coach and teach people, you can’t please everyone. And sometimes when people say they’re really happy, sometimes they’re not happy. It’s a strange phenomenon, but I just trying to be positive and, and be grateful for the people that are happy for the service. And the ones that do what you said earlier was great David they go all the way through the course, like if you give them your online course have a grow, you know, really great podcast show, if they follow the steps fully that they’ll succeed of it like you have. And it’s the same with my teaching, or most of the teachers out there. Most of them are honest there. There’s few of them that are frauds, obviously, there are some teachers that are not genuine, I think when we can see where they are, but I think people make excuses when they because they don’t want to suffer. You know, like you’ve had Jeff on the show before Jeff Thompson, he speaks about a lot of people, they don’t want to suffer, they want, they want the results, but they don’t want to go through the work. So for those people that don’t really want to suffer, they’re going to look for a way out and they’ll blame you. They’ll blame me they’ll blame their family. They’ll blame anyone but themselves.
David Ralph [28:55]
It’s interesting with you because you are just an easy going I you know, I I felt connected to you the very first time I spoke to you. Now I had another guy on the show called Ross Jeffries. And he’s known as I don’t know, but dating guy or something in America. And you can go back and listen to this show people because he really annoyed me. I didn’t like the way he operated at all. I just found him creepy. Um, can you? Is it easy to become creepy doing what you do? Or is that something you’re aware of all the time?
Johnny Berba [29:34]
I don’t know. I think I think a generic David is a good question. I never thought of it like that. I think you know, we’re going to do so no, we want to keep this show light and playful and fun, which is great. I think it depends on who you are, who you are before you started. Because we all we’re all somebody before we become someone if that makes sense. So I never can sense like us why I like to you. Yes, your professional and you do the show. And you have to speak more professionally. And but you can sense there’s a genuine person that you can send to your genuine, you’ve got a good heart, you can see it on your post on Facebook, and you can feel it on talk to you. But I think if someone is kind of not got a good heart for when they’re younger, when they become successful, ego can take over and they become arrogant. And that’s what people seem weird. I call it the weird. It’s where the ego because we all we all have a little bit of weirdness in us. But if we identify that too much, we become weird. And then people just can’t connect with us or we become arrogant. And luckily, the way I was brought up and I try and always keep myself in check. I don’t know I like to think I’m quite easy to connect with a lot of people say that I’m so I know what you mean? Me and Ross, nothing personal, we never connected. He didn’t like me very much. He criticized me on a few videos, but I didn’t take it personal. So you know, I wish him the best. But yeah, there’s some. It’s just life. And as people saw
David Ralph [31:04]
what he did, which I thought was quite genius. And you you’ve spoken about this as well, he had a huge amount of success teaching guys, pickup lines back in the 70s and 80s. And he’s business kind of started to change because the dating world changed. And it wasn’t so much personal interaction. It was online interaction. But he realized that what he does is the same as closing a deal in business. So he kind of pivoted, and he’s now more focused in on building sales relationships and closing the sale. Is that something that you would think about? Because that is when the money would go up? Sort of exponentially? Wouldn’t it when you’re actually teaching sales companies how to close the deal in a honest, open and trustworthy way?
Johnny Berba [31:54]
So great question. And it’s nice that you recognize that like all of us, I’ve got a really good potential what I’ve built and I have evolved, I was going to say I didn’t want to interrupt you in the show, because we connected and give you a chance to speak David and I am mentoring people now in all different areas. So a lot of the guys that come to me, it’s not now just for dating coaching, wouldn’t even really call myself a dating coach anymore. That’s sort of my old style. I don’t mind people addressing me that I would say I’m more of a mentor. So I help people with their confidence. I suppose I’m more of a fear, expert coach, so I can help people start business, talk to people do public speaking, I’m very good at selling, I’ve been doing it a long time. So it is evolving for me naturally. And I’ve got other ideas for like things like writing, and then films and stuff like that. So I’m very creative. And I’m not gonna put pressure on myself and start announcing things. But I feel really excited about going in different directions, not just staying in the area of dating and relationships, although I’m still passionate about that, and I do help people with that. But now I’m, I’m getting into fitness. More of the inner work like you spoke about David and so that there’s a lot to it. So I’m just at the moment, I’m getting a team together and working on some projects. So we’re rebuilding things. And because I took some time out for a while from teaching, but you’re right, I’ve got the passion back. I love it now. So if that makes sense, what I just said that’s kind of where I’m going. But I don’t even know it could go anywhere, baby because I’m quite spontaneous. And who knows, I could go into a completely different direction in the next six months.
David Ralph [33:44]
Because I am fascinated about the long over arching story of things. And I was on there’s a there’s another podcast that you can go over to called London real. And
Johnny Berba [33:56]
I love that show.
David Ralph [33:57]
Yeah, it’s a great show. It’s a great show. And Brian roads, who is the host of it has taken basically straight podcast, to seven figures and beyond. We’ve been about six years. And he’s really done some great stuff. Now, he actually says if you go back to the very first episode, he’s walking around in a T shirt and sort of camouflage pants, and now he’s suited. He’s booted, and his business has been off in all different directions. I find that hugely inspirational. And when I teach people, I find one of the things that holds people back at the very beginning is this kind of almost nailed down belief that the first thing they do has to be the thing. It has to be the right thing. And you’ve proved because you’re now going off into different directions that would never been conceivable to you in the early days. But more often than not, it doesn’t matter what you do, you just have to do something and stay in a kind of straight direction, little bit of a pivot here or there. But going in the direction. That single direction is where momentum comes from. You think Johnny,
Johnny Berba [35:04]
I totally agree. You’ve said so many truthful things. And you said to me at the start of the podcast, don’t be too agreeable. But I can’t help not be agreeable when what you’re saying is the truth. So you’re right. People don’t want to get started. They want to be perfect. Just shoot a video just shoot a podcast. Look, look how Brian slide, I remember his early episodes, I’ve seen his transformation, I’ve seen the show grow. So I always say to people, it’s better to get started and fail, embarrass yourself. Because then you’ll learn you’ll build momentum, you’ll only get confident by doing it. And you’re right. Well, you also said when you become successful in whatever business model you’re using, or if it’s podcasting, or dating relationships, or creating online courses of people, you can build success into another area. That’s why a lot of successful people, like boxes then end up going into acting. Because once you get success in one area, you can transfer the principles into another area. And that’s such a great thing about today that no one has to be one thing that they can if they want to stay there, they can do a lot of things. And honestly they would I really mean this to my heart and not just cynics on the show, I think your podcast is amazing. And I think it has potential to go even more amazing, more bigger, because you’re really good and very unique. It’s different. It’s different tava shows like yours in London real they’re, they’re probably my favorite. Because there’s a lot of podcast shows, and some of them are just not interesting enough interviews is just too. I don’t know that to PC, that they’re just not very engaging and not very genuine. And so I think with your one, and I can sense you’re doing really well and the business side, it can go even bigger. So I would be interested to know where you want to take your podcast, and if you’re going to change or grow. And because it feels like you’ve grown a lot as well, from when you first interviewed me a couple of years back with the business side of things.
David Ralph [36:54]
Yeah, absolutely. And thank you so much for saying those kinds of things. But no, I think you know, London real I really like that. I really like the way that he’s structured it I really like the value that he’s putting into it. He’s it’s very much video based. I like the fall of podcasting. I like being a radio host. So I don’t see too much of myself going into the video world. Although every now and again, I fancy it and I think okay, it might be a different avenue. But all I’m doing Johnny is hopefully growing a better show that people want to listen to inspiring more people and aiming to get better on every episode. And it is once again, it’s a journey. first episode, it wasn’t too bad because I came from a public speaking background. So I knew how to construct things. I always had a training background, so I understood the natural flow of things. But it’s that daily reps, it’s the daily, heavy lifting that you’ve got to do that, that becomes something. And that’s the big fighting that I see with so many people. You can teach them the skills, but you cannot teach them the persistence. And the persistence is the key to it. Which is
Johnny Berba [38:06]
totally true what you said. And I’ve often for our successful people born not made or is it both for the other way around, because there’s some people that are talented, but they just unfortunately, and I want to say there’s hope for everyone. But I’m going to be honest, some people that just don’t have that drive David and they’ll never have it. And it doesn’t matter what mentor you get them. The current state they’re in, they’re just not driven. They’re just too lazy. Or maybe they’re not willing to look at their insecurities and that they don’t have that passion that fire that hunger in them. And I’ve seen that with men and women. And it’s sad, but at the end of the day, what can you do if someone is not hungry? It’s just not going to work or it’s not going to be sustainable. So with London real and Brian and like yourself and like me and a lot of the others they we put the work in and and you can’t lie about that. Because people see they see the fruits of your action. And you know, you see David Ralph growing up, listen to some new episodes and you can hear it getting better, you’re more confident than the people coming on. More interesting more high level people. And the same with Brian it went from you know him in the T shirt to him in a I don’t know, looking like a billionaire and Susan getting on all these people and getting people on like, you know, really famous high profile people and the show just growing and growing. And I’ve seen of other people, I can’t think of the name off the top of my head now. Where it’s because they’re just so like yourself, I can tell you like me, you’re obsessed of it you’re passionate in, like you said before that it’s tiring, but you love it, you know, no one has to convince you to get up, you just do it. You know. And when you have that you succeed in if you don’t know what you’re doing, eventually, that hard work will lead you into success, you know, you’ll fail your way into success just through hard work and passion and drive. I’m constantly pumping out material and learning and growing and getting better.
David Ralph [40:05]
You said something that was very interesting earlier and I wanted to jump onto it. And I thought I’d leave it to a later part of the conversation. But the the obsession that people feel as something when they’re creating it can become an unhealthy obsession. And sometimes you actually have to step away from the business and get you yourself re back to where it should be the recharge. And certainly with myself in join up dots I ran out of energy. I didn’t stop the podcast, but I just run out of the energy and I it was just too hard. Have you had those same experiences, it sounded like you have stepped away a bit and you looked at what’s more, most important to yourself, and you’ve come back stronger.
Johnny Berba [40:49]
Well, I won’t go into it heavy because we’re going to keep it live. I had I had a nervous breakdown two years ago, and I’m fully recovered. So I went through it, I burned out. But I’ve realized that on the hero’s journey, when I because I obsessed I study success and people, it seems to be a pattern that we all have to go for even though it’s not nice. So I did burn out and what I loved I I started to hate and despise it. And I felt that way about myself because I just was exhausted. So I had to step away and heal and have a break, get some therapy. And because we’re giving out so much love, you don’t realize when you’re putting stuff out, you’re giving your heart and soul. So if you’re not receiving as much as you’re giving, eventually the body does burn out just like anything we need fuel. So I just think it’s it’s one of those things. And I don’t really know what to say, Oh, yeah, I just think it’s one of those things. And obviously you don’t wish a breakdown on someone or someone to be burnout and get ill. But I can’t think of any successful person that hasn’t gone through a phase of just sort of hating what they love and coming away from it. And then recessing hailing, having a break and then coming back in with a new passion.
David Ralph [41:58]
Or two years ago, I’m totally honest about this, I had a breakdown as well, I had, I caught it now. I had double burnout where I hit burnout. And then I thought I need to work even harder to get past this situation. I mean, the so vain, I got to a point where my body just gave up on me. And I was having blood tests, and I literally couldn’t move every day I was getting there and I was podcasting. And I was putting the energy in. And then as soon as I finished it, you know, I just wanted to sleep. But I didn’t know enough of it. And literally every single person that I speak to online now has that story, that story of hearing the words burnout, but not knowing enough about it, to see the clues. And actually that has spun off into a new part of my business, where I am teaching directors and stressed executives how to reclaim their time in energies, which I would never have got back through that bad stage. It’s more learning is more deals, it’s more monetization that you can bring in. So yeah, two years ago, sir, we were pretty much the same. I would have reached out to you If I’d known because we were going through the same thing.
Johnny Berba [43:09]
Yeah, that’s really kind of you. Yeah, I didn’t know that. I’m kind of shocked, but not shocked. Because I know that it happens to people. But yeah, I’ve got full compassion for you, because I went through it, and I’ve had friends, but maybe the new generation, what you’re doing, you can prevent them from going through this because it’s not nice is it when you feel burnt out and your health starts to deteriorate, and you just, you couldn’t, you just can’t do what you want to do or usually doing. You know, it’s that you started basically it starts affecting your mental health. So I think for maybe the next generation coming up, they need to be more careful. And maybe mentors like yourself, and like me can pass this on and say, you also have to work hard and give a lot. But you need to make sure that you’re getting a balance of rest, so you don’t get sick and burnout. And I think I think there’s been some people doesn’t know that they’ve had such a bad breakdown that they’ve not been able to come back and recover. So it’s just being mindful of not burning out. But sometimes that’s hard. It’s hard to get that balance, especially when you’re in that momentum, and it’s going well and then you build a brand. And then people are expecting you to deliver the goods. And you kind of afraid to I think a burnout sometimes comes because unconsciously, we’re scared to stop there. And in case we lose what we’ve built. We don’t want to let go of the identity of being successful. But I found an identity, you can relate to this. In the rest, you can actually get a lot more confidence and get great ideas. And so
David Ralph [44:35]
spend so much time now not doing anything. And people say to me, God, you’re working harder than ever, but I’m not. It’s just about I’m doing better stuff, you know. And I read this book, which was brilliant, called essentialism. And one of his key messages is do less but better. Raise the quality, see when you’re working but do less. And that’s my whole mantra now.
Johnny Berba [45:05]
It’s so weird. And you said it. I’ve just felt such an excitement come up in me in a piece because I don’t want to be like, you know, like, it’s annoying when you say something to someone goes Me too. I’m doing that. But that’s what I’m going for. At the moment David I’m working hard. But I’m also feel like I’m having such, I don’t know, I just feel like it’s such a peaceful meditative, I’m having a lot of rest as well. It’s like, it was like I’m working. Like, smarter, but not harder. It’s weird. I can’t explain it for you, you said it better than I did. And I’m really pleased for you. But you’ve got that because I think that’s another part of I don’t know how spiritual you are David I’ll take a risk. But I think that’s another part of spiritual growth. That’s another part of this sort of enlightened state where we hit mastery, we’re more smart ally, we can teach someone but not burn out, we can work with someone or be around them and not taken all their problems. Or we can know we can be around some of these very negative, but not allow them to drag us into that if that makes sense. And we can also be around positive great people and, and not feel intimidated, feel more whole around them. And so I think it this, this is a this is a really good sign when you feel that because I’ve seen of other eyes, like you said, and you just sense they’re more peaceful. They’ve grown more, and the way they go about their whole work is just as I call it, it’s a higher level of consciousness, isn’t it? Or Yeah, what is someone say to me? You know, yeah, yeah, it says, I can actually feel it now. Like every part. I mean, it’s a really good thing. It’s a good sign.
David Ralph [46:32]
I think it’s a good sign. And if you go back five years, I used to speak to people in join up dots and I would say, you know, what do you do? And they say, Well, I’d get up in the morning, and I’d have a cup of coffee. And then I do an hour of meditation. And then I’d go for a walk on the beach. And I used to think, how did you get anything done? How do you get anything done just getting there and crack on? And now I look back on it. And I think I wasn’t ready for their message at that time. I was in the early stages of building something. And yes, yes, you could say things have become easier because now I’ve got money coming to me, I’ve got a successful business, I’ve got all that kind of stuff. So I do except it’s been a journey. But these guys saying to me, you know, yeah, I don’t do anything till lunchtime. And when I do three hours in the office and Ben I’m away again, what I really was saying is, I’m building myself up to make the most of that three hours and that three hours is going to bring the biggest results and Ben I’m off they they’re, they’re charged up ready to go they plug themselves in to deliver. But of course you can’t see it when you first start can usually
Johnny Berba [47:39]
know. And like you said, these are things that we don’t know, we’re naive when we start and we just sort of try everything. So, you know, I’ve been thinking about this lately as well. You know, like, if a guy wants to go, excuse me, this is my he would come and try to attack me. You know, like, if you want to attract like a client, they will not make some money or you want to get opportunities or you want to meet someone, if we become too desperate and needy and we want it and we want it and we want it. We tend not to get it and it gets stressful. It gets heavier when we get it. It’s not the right client. It’s not the right person. When we relax more, we trust ourselves more obviously, we have to put some action into Of course, things come become even better, you know. So I think it’s working. My friend used to say I will have you but it was quite a strict Christian and whiplash on time that you said to me once Johnny, you’re not ministering from place of rest. You’re ministering from stress and anxiety. And I said You’re right. And then later on, he said, Oh, you’re working from a better place. Now you’re you’re you know, you’re working from more of a balanced place. And it makes all the difference back to what you said earlier on in the show about being better on the inside. It’s so much more powerful. We’re not taught this in schools. And we’re not this is not really taught. In kind of the mainstream world. These truths are kind of hidden, you’ve got figure amount and find the quote, get mentors and get them to teach you
David Ralph [49:04]
become water become water and just flow naturally to where you need to go just move effortlessly around obstacles, instead of just trying to bulldoze through them. There’s, there’s always an open door to any business problem, you’ve just got to find that open door and don’t keep on trying to bang down, one that is closed. Now prove that of course you get trust. And we’re now going to hear the famous words from the legend Steve Jobs who said these words back in 2005. All about trust. Here is Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs [49:35]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [50:10]
Do you think this was a path that was waiting for you? Or have you created the path Have you been putting down the stones the patio in front of you?
Johnny Berba [50:20]
I you know, I really do think it’s in line with your show and join up dots and Steve Jobs said it. This already happened for me. I’m doing this backwards. I had a dream when I was a kid, I had intuitions I had. And when I spoke about I kind of was made to feel stupid and embarrassed. Even sometimes it’s quite difficult to say this, but around my own family members who I love. I felt like they were belittling what I knew to be true. In my own heart. I didn’t know exactly how it’s going to look. But I knew I was gonna be a very successful person, I knew I was going to inspire a lot of people. And I didn’t know how that’s going to buy filter. And now it’s become a reality. So it’s what you said it’s joining dots joining we’re joined them backwards, I think you say from so I’m just playing out. What I always knew was true when I was younger. And I’m just piece putting the pieces together in in the world that we call the material world. So I know that sounds kind of deep, but naturally, we’re going to go into
David Ralph [51:20]
Madonna Ben Lee.
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going to do Johnny burst into the Madonna
Johnny Berba [51:30]
start singing a bit of Elvis Presley for you. But no, I haven’t got a singing voice us know if your face. But no, I agree with what you said. I think that we’re not we’re not stupid. It’s not just it’s not in our head when we get these ideas and feelings. And I would ask you the same question David with your success and what you’ve achieved.
David Ralph [51:48]
Coming from where you first started, I know I think was you in a corporate job before us and I was a job. Yeah. Did you know that you get a feeling that there’s more for you and that you’re going to be a successful person that’s going to inspire? Did you have that feeling? Before you did it? I used to inspire people in pubs. I used to call it my motivation rocket when I could sit with people and talk to them. And I could see them get excited by the possibilities. So I already had that in me. I didn’t have a global audience to fire that motivation rocket at a certain But no, I had, I had an absolute belief, I’ll be honest, absolute belief. But when I started join up dots it would go somewhere, it wasn’t going to just you know, I once again naively I thought it would go off like a rocket. And I thought that putting the work in would make it go even quicker. But it doesn’t, you’ve got to just keep on doing it and allow it to naturally grow. And five years into it. Yeah, I stand here and say it is a real success. But I just think it’s the first stage of the success. And what I need to do is create that success, while it gives me the life that I want. Because if you’re not careful, Johnny, you end up creating a monster. And Ben runs away with you. And you’re back into the dark times again.
Johnny Berba [53:08]
It’s totally true. I think I heard you speaking to another guest, I can’t remember the gentleman’s name, he was a performance coach. And he spoke about you spoke you and him about the dark aspect of success, I’ve definitely gone through it. I’m aware of that dark monster that can easily swallow us up or kind of make us feel that we’re in a prison and we can’t escape from our own creation. So it’s just being mindful of that. So that doesn’t happen. And like you said, doing things for the right reason and not doing it. If you don’t feel like you’re just doing it for the money, which I know is a difficult balance. Because we all have a relationship with money and we need to pay the bills and, and we want to live a good life. But but I think I honestly think all these things make it worth it, it makes it challenging. It creates great conversations like this, it, it just it produces is better material. But yes, you don’t want to be in that in the dark place too long. It’s not nice, I’ve been in a dark place, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. But in those dark places it grows you It makes you a great man or a great woman. And it propels you for more life. I’m going to call union. So you know, the dark shadow, if you bring the darkness, integrate it, you become more light, basically saying if a person is full of anger and hatred, if they turn the anger and hatred into their positivity, that’d be a very loving, inclined person.
David Ralph [54:33]
That’s a lovely thing. And that’s Lisa seamlessly, really that positivity to the end of the show that we call the Sermon on the mic. And last time, Johnny, we sent you back to have a one on one with your younger self. But this time I want to play the music and send you back to have a one on one with the Johnny who appeared on episode 4973 years ago of join up dots so I’m going to play the music. And when it fades Europe, this is the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [55:10]
Johnny Berba [55:25]
Well, I think the first thing I would say to my self for years ago, that person, Johnny Barber, also known as Jonathan, I would say, Stop putting so much pressure on yourself. Relax, take it easy, trust yourself more. And don’t be bullied or afraid by your inner voices. Those voices that have contradictory always try to sabotage you and blackmail you. And you know the voices that I’m not sure if I’m good enough, or if people really found out who I was, they wouldn’t feel the same way about me. Don’t feel the need that you have to go out and sleep with lots of women to feel good enough or to make lots of money, or to do anything out of just appreciating who you are appreciating people, your family. So and be more grateful as well, I was a little bit ungrateful back then I couldn’t see the good that I did. And I couldn’t really be fully grateful and fully receive the good that other people have done to me and how blessed I’ve been in my life. So it would just really be saying and also to be proud of myself, I found it very difficult back then to actually give myself that loving validation without someone else giving it to me. So I can honestly give myself that loving validation. Now, you know, old person back then and just say you’re doing great, keep doing what you’re doing and, and just be yourself. Don’t be afraid to be you and don’t be afraid to tell other people the same. And also, you know, it’s okay to make mistakes, you made mistakes, we’ve all made mistakes we learn from them. And yeah, just just keep it simple. Enjoy the process. And don’t worry so much. You know, don’t keep on putting massive expectations you know, on yourself saying, Oh, I need to make this amount of money to feel good. I need to meet this woman, I need to go on all of these shows, or I need to be this person. just appreciate who you are about anything go back to when you as a young kid, and we didn’t have all the success and our money and fame. You just was appreciative that family and be alive. So that’s what I would say. So keep doing what you’re doing well done, and focus on the main thing, which is to help others. That’s what, that’s what that’s what it’s all about.
David Ralph [57:56]
Absolutely. So how can our audience who’ve been listening today connect with yourself?
Johnny Berba [58:03]
The best way is to write in Johnny Barba on YouTube or Google and then my youtube channel will come up they can subscribe there. I give away loads of free stuff. And they can also go to my blog. My website is ww dot Johnny barber calm. I’ll just let people know that I’m the website is going to be there’s going to be some changes. But yeah, the best way would be just to just put my name in Google and YouTube and you’ll find me. We will have
David Ralph [58:27]
the links on the show notes to make it as easy as possible to connect. Johnny, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots. Please come back again when you add more dots to join up. And I do hope your coffee gets better too. And I do believe that joining the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Johnny, thank you so much.
Johnny Berba [58:48]
Thank you, David. I really enjoyed it. It was great to be on and I look forward to coming on in the future. Thank you my friend.
David Ralph [58:55]
Mr. Johnny bourbon, he’s got bad cop isn’t a Hopi EOB gets that better, because he can’t go up to the ladies coughing and splattering. But what I loved about that, it took me by surprise, it took me by surprise. But last time he was on, he wasn’t a one trick pony at all. He was growing something that was quite unique and in many ways experimental I suppose. But how you take that and it starts growing into other things. And now he’s building a team and he’s looking at doing more coaching not just the street dating stuff. And you can’t see that the beginning and you can’t and as I said on the show, so many people that I coach seem to get hung up on that first thing and I say to them just accept the process, you know, we will work through that we will get the traffic coming and then once the traffic comes to you, they tell you what they want. It’s not you to decide you have to build something that attracts people into your life. And when the money naturally comes people say you know if you find your passion, you never work again. That’s pretty much what they’re saying in that regard. So be true, true to yourself. Do what you love. Do it for the right reasons. And believe me magic can occur until next time thank you so much for being here on join up dots loved having Johnny here. love having all you here any questions you’ve got please join us on the contact form on join up dots and there’s a loaded good freebies over on join up dots now connect up three podcasting courses, free business courses, whatever you want. We’re adding more and more to it. It’s certainly going to be the place to go. And we hope to see you again soon. Look after yourselves. Cheers Say bye bye
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