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Introducing Sushant Misra
Sushant Misra is todays guest joining us on the Join Up Dots podcast interview.
He is a man who is fascinated with the process of entrepreneurship.
What makes someone fight through so many obstacles to achieve success?
Why do some people seem to literally have no obstacles and breeze through to a life of abundance and fulfilment?.
Well todays guest has taken it on himself to go out and discover from himself.
How Have The Dots Joined Up For Sushant
So how has he positioned himself to get into the minds of such startling successful folk?
Well I am certainly going to do my best to find out.
But “Trep Talks” is just one small area of a life that must keep him madly busy.
As he is also an experienced ecommerce professional, and founder of Yogamatstore.com, with a passion for Yoga and fulfilling the role of Energy practitioner .
Which I’ll be honest I’m not sure what that is at all.
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only Sushant Misra
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Sushant such as:
How not knowing how hard a task is at the beginning is such bliss!
How he still remembers the shock and delight the moment he earnt his first online sale!
Why Asian families push their children into professions like Doctors!
How he persuaded Tim Ferris to be his first interview…..and Tim is really hard to get even by experienced folk!
How To Connect With Sushant Misra
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Audio Transcprtion Of Sushant Misra Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:25]
Yes, hello. Do you know one of these episodes I’m actually going to sing along without I had this urge to burst into song as that’s going and I’ve never had the courage to do it. So one of these episodes, you will hear me Burstein go live. So how are we all today? I hope you’re good, because we have got another great guest on the show to Join Up Dots with me and look back over their life at the key pivotal points that have led them to where they are today. So let me introduce you to today’s guest. On the show is a man who is fascinated with the process of entrepreneurship. What makes someone fight through so many obstacles was to achieve success. Why do some people seem to literally have no obstacles and breezed through to a life of abundance and fulfilment? Well, today’s guest has taken it upon himself to go out and discover by himself with his online video resource trip talks. He has managed to have a one on one conversations with movers and shakers with the likes of Tim Ferriss and Guy Kawasaki to name just two. So how has he positioned himself to get into the minds of such startling successful folk, but I’m certainly going to try my best to find out. But trip talks is just one small area of a life that must keep him madly busy, as he’s also an experienced a commerce professional founder of yoga, yoga mat store.com with a passion for yoga and fulfilling the role of energy practitioner, which I’ll be honest, I’m not sure what that what that is at all, really. So let me find out as much as I can. Once I had the chance to talk with the one and only Susannah Mishra. How are you today, sir? Hey,
Sushant Misra [1:56]
David, I’m doing great and really appreciate that the great intro. It’s, it’s much better than I could have ever written. And it’s definitely a pleasure to be on your show today.
David Ralph [2:07]
Thank you so much. But you could write that easy because that’s your life, isn’t it? You should be able to sit down there and just join up the dots and know exactly what what you’re all about.
Sushant Misra [2:16]
Yes, but the language and the way you put it with? Or maybe it was just the way you spoke?
David Ralph [2:24]
It’s the English isn’t as the English accent.
Sushant Misra [2:28]
Yes, I think I think that’s part of it. Definitely as
David Ralph [2:31]
well. Why do you think that I’m, I’m going off on a tangent now. But when I watch Hollywood movies over baddies are always English. Why do you think that?
Sushant Misra [2:43]
All the berries are English?
David Ralph [2:45]
Sushant Misra [2:48]
Um, I don’t know. That’s, that’s an interesting question. What is your definition of a body?
David Ralph [2:57]
A body is someone who goes out and does it or two other people?
Sushant Misra [3:02]
Hmm. Well, I have seen to be honest, in the Hollywood movies, berries of all kind, I guess. But yeah, some of them are English. And
I don’t see any particular
connexion with being an English and Abadi, but you’ll have to, you’ll have to share some examples, I
David Ralph [3:25]
guess. I will do I won’t do it on this show. Every time I see one, I’m going to email you and I’ll get I’ll get you on Netflix. And after a while, you’ll say God, he was right. I couldn’t see how the time but he was right.
Sushant Misra [3:39]
I should, I should mention that as an entrepreneur, I do spend a lot of time working and I don’t really get a lot of time watching TV or movies. Maybe Maybe that is one of the reasons.
David Ralph [3:50]
That is an absolute key point, isn’t it? And that’s one of the things that I found when I quit my nine to five job to have, quote unquote, more freedom. Actually, many of the days I’m working twice as long as I did before, is that a common theme that you found with all entrepreneurs?
Sushant Misra [4:09]
Yes. So I think it’s difficult to start a project to have a vision, and try to create that vision from scratch. Usually starting from a very limited resource point. And doing that takes a lot of, you know, to could do to to bring a vision to reality, you need to have two things, either you’re spending your time, or you have money and resources to hire other people, to motivate them to bring that vision to reality for you. And many times what I have found from speaking with people is it’s, the first one is the case where, you know, people are starting off with just a vision and a lot of passion. And it just motivates them to keep on working. And so for a lot of people, you know, working 18 hours a day or 20 hours a day, whatever the case is, it’s they don’t consider it work, including myself. It’s it’s something that they are passionate and excited about. So So yeah, a lot of times they do put in that hour. But for them, it’s not work. It’s just bringing their passion to reality
David Ralph [5:24]
is one of the reasons why I only do audio because I I have aged massively since I’ve started doing this, just just for those reasons to get something off the ground. I think actually looking back on it, I was a bit naive. Yes, I had passion. Yes, I had enthusiasm. But juggling sort of normal life while trying to get this going has meant very late nights, very early mornings. And it does take its toll. It’s, it’s not surprising that so many people give up so early, isn’t it?
Sushant Misra [5:57]
Yeah, and and in that sense, I think it runs, you know, not knowing how difficult it’s going to be. It’s definitely a bliss. And for especially for a startup entrepreneurs, we’re starting for the first time. And when I started my first project, yoga mat, store.com, I didn’t know how hard it was going to be. And it was it was really hard. And not knowing that. In fact, I think looking back definitely helped me to put in all that hard work, just keep on going, you know, taking that step after step. And just believing in my vision and having that I guess blind faith that something good is going to happen. And something you know, the day, I can tell you the day that I got my first client, someone bought from me, it was the happiest, one of the happiest moments of my life, I think.
David Ralph [6:59]
And did that come through online was that like through play pouting, and there was some money sitting in your bank account?
Sushant Misra [7:05]
Exactly. So, you know, I, when I started that project, I had taken a full time job, which you were mentioning before as well. And, and I was working overnight. Fortunately, the thing was that with my with the kind of job that I was doing, I did have kind of a freedom to, to work to have my laptop and be able to work on my project for for a bit. And so I still remember that I finished my shift in the morning, and it was around 7am. And I took the bus home. And and I was sitting in the bus and all of a sudden I see my I used to have my Blackberry phone at that time. And I see that I received an email. And I looked at that, and I just could not believe that I had received someone had bought from my website and I had received the payment and that that just made everything worth it for me. And I knew that I was onto something. You know, I was I was doing something right? At that point.
David Ralph [8:10]
You can never go back from that moment, can you I’ve done affiliate programmes and the listeners out there who aren’t really sure what we’re talking about. You set up products that can be sold virtually other than the website. So you have all the hard work setting it up. But then you can go to sleep and make sales while you sleep. And I’ve had a few sort of affiliate sites, they’re still running now, bringing in, you know, odd pounds every every month and stuff. But when that first money comes in, and you think oh, my God, I’m actually sending this website out to work on my behalf while I’m doing something more pleasurable. It’s just an eye opener, isn’t it? I will never forget that. First, as I say that the dean, and the money just came into into my paypal account?
Sushant Misra [8:59]
Yes, a couple of things. Number one, I think a lot of people who start in the online world, because it is such a new industry. They and I definitely had some doubts. You know, why? Why would someone come to my website and pay their hard earned money. And so it was definitely an affirmation that, you know, after working three, four months, putting in hard work, that it does, in fact, work and if you if you follow, follow the rules, you know, create a good website and have have trust elements and and if it was a genuine thing, then then people do buy from you. And so that was a great affirmation. But at the same time, I do think that creating affiliate sites or this kind of project, can you know, for some people, it could be a motivation to come online. For me, the motivation was a little bit different. For me, the motivation was to get into entrepreneurship. And when I started, I did not even have an idea. So I did not know what what kind of business I should start. And the only reason I started yoga mat store.com was because I was I have been practising yoga for a couple of years prior to that. And that that was pretty much the only thing that I knew a little little bit about. And when I did some research, I found that, you know, there could be an opportunity there. And that was the reason I got into that. The fact that it was an affiliate project, or you know, an e commerce project was was really secondary for me, the aim for me was to learn from that. And I did learn about internet marketing and, and ecommerce and things like that. But the goal for me was because I consider entrepreneurship a process. So I knew I had to start somewhere. And that was the project for me. And you know, after starting that, I gained a certain amount of experience. And then triptychs is second project for me which, again, it’s given that I consider entrepreneurship a process, it’s a process for me to really grow as an entrepreneur and a person. And hopefully, that will, this will not be my last project, hopefully, hopefully, the the skills that I will gain from this and the entrepreneurship skills that I will gain from this, I will be able to take that forward and create something much bigger, you know that that will hopefully be of value to a lot of people out there.
David Ralph [11:43]
I am on a similar path to you. And a lot of what you were talking about there resonated with me, strongly. And one of the things that really resonated and I’m sure it resonates with so many people out there was the fact that you were saying, even though you were putting in be heavy hours on yoga, yoga mat store.com, I struggle to say that yoga Mac store.com, you still had doubts, you still had doubts? Why would people buy my products? Why? And that’s a human trait, isn’t it? That’s something that stops so many people before they even get going. So how did you push through those doubts and actually, you know, achieve your own.
Sushant Misra [12:24]
So I think the primary thing was that I at that time I did, I was not aware of, you know, how difficult it’s going to be it was it was a learning process for me, and I was enjoying learning online marketing. And even if even if no one had bought from me, for me from me, for quite a bit of time, I would still have kept on going. Now what what made me keep on going? That’s an interesting question. I think for me, you know, I really think that different people have different motivations for what they do. For me, I had record nice in when I was still in college, I had the chance to run a nonprofit organisation. And my you know, given that I am originally from India, and now, although now I live in Canada, Indian, Indian and Asian parents often tell their children, you know, you have to pursue you have to you have to become a doctor, or you have to become a software engineer. And, and that’s a common theme in that culture. And that that was something that I grew up with. And so my parents always told me become a doctor. And that was something that I was pursuing, I was doing everything to go in that direction. However, as a as a, as a matter of luck, I had the opportunity to work in collaboration with UNICEF, Canada, and UNICEF, is I’m not sure if you’re aware, it’s a United Nations organisation that promotes issues related with children all over the world, I had the opportunity to work with them, and I created a nonprofit organisation within my own college. And through that experience, working for that for a couple of years, I realised that I really enjoyed the business aspect of running an organisation and I really enjoyed
being an entrepreneur, and,
and creating something from nothing. And so I think that that had that was something that I already had, I was already an entrepreneurial personality, I think. And there is a definitely a personality, personality type that is more entrepreneurial. And it was just a real as a realisation on my part. So after having realised that if I if I did not pursue and grow that part, that part of my personality, I think I would, I would not has been fair with myself. And so I think I think that was my, my, my biggest motivation is realising that I was an entrepreneur, and, and I had, I had to do something to grow that aspect of my personality. And so even if I had not got that sale at that time, I think I think I would have still kept on going,
David Ralph [15:23]
entrepreneurs born again, all I made.
Sushant Misra [15:27]
There is a very interesting question. And this is something that definitely, I definitely ask a lot of my guests, and I have definitely given a lot of thought to. It’s an interesting question. I think I think I really think there are two kinds of entrepreneurs there, there are people who have an entrepreneurial personality, and then there are people who might call accidental entrepreneurs. And accidental entrepreneurs, my definition of an accidental entrepreneur is a person in a little say that they’re working in an industry for 1520 years, they have a lot of experience, they have come to know about the industry very well. And now they have identified an opportunity and you know, they partner up with some other people and create a business. You know, there are some people who do research and they, they identify a certain technology, and then they do things to bring that technology and to monetize that technology. So I call these kind of people exit accidental entrepreneurs, because, you know, they, through their experiences, they have come across an idea that they they can monetize. On the other hand, the people with entrepreneurial personality, I would consider, you know, people like Richard Branson, or Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, you know, people like these, they, they just have an, an ease an affinity with taking risk, having a grand vision, and bringing that vision to reality. And, and, and there’s something that you know, they can they can see an opportunity and, and not be afraid of going after that opportunity. And I really think that Richard Branson is definitely a great example of this. And the people with entrepreneurial personality, I think some of the traits that they have are, you know, the ability to take risks easily, the ability to manage their emotional state, so that, you know, whenever they’re facing a failure, or some sort of setback, they can bounce back from that very easily. Because entrepreneurship, of course, there’s a business aspect of entrepreneurship, where you have to learn the technical skills, the business skills of running a business, but there is an emotional aspect of entrepreneurship, where you have to, you have to be very good at managing your emotions, otherwise, entrepreneurship is just too way, way too difficult.
David Ralph [18:10]
The desert, there’s a synergy isn’t it, we’ve entrepreneurs where the more successful somebody becomes, the more it almost looks like they’re playing and sort of making it up as I go along. Certainly with Richard Branson, you rarely ever think of him I don’t in a board meeting, I always think of him jumping out of aeroplanes and doing silly stuff. But of course, that is him growing his brand. And that’s the way he does it. And he does it sort of very successfully, but with your conversations in your online, trap talks, your your video interviews, and I’m very interested why you’ve done them as videos. Have you found that the more successful where people are, the more they feel like they’re just having fun?
Sushant Misra [18:55]
Well, I, I sure hope so. I mean, it definitely depends on what how success how people perceive themselves as successful. But I really think that, as I mentioned before, entrepreneurship is a bit of a process where you have to, you’re developing skill set skill sets, you’re developing your business skill sets, you’re developing your emotional skill sets. And it’s just like any other craft, you know, a painter, he, he or she paints again and again, and, and becomes better as a result of it, you know, 10 years down the road. It’s the same with entrepreneurship, you just, you’re just doing things again, and again, you’re getting familiar with other skill sets, and other ways of doing things. And there comes a point where, you know, it definitely becomes easy and, and, you know, to give the analogy of a musician, I know, there comes a point where you start improvising. And I think people like Richard Branson, who are definitely so experienced, are, are at that level of expertise, where, you know, for them, it’s almost improvisation. And so I mean, I, I have no doubt that he’s having a lot of fun, being successful, and being an entrepreneur at this point in his life. Now, the other thing also, as I mentioned, successful entrepreneurs, there, there is definitely an emotional aspect, there’s, there’s also an a mindset, aspect of being a successful entrepreneur, the successful people that I have spoken to a lot of times, you know, I find that their mindset of the way they think is a little bit different from from a regular chap. And it comes, I think it’s more of a positive, some mindset. And it’s, it’s about the they want, they they they inherently have it desire to help people and to give, not not give at the expense of you know, their own business or themselves. But they usually try to find interactions and business opportunities. And, and, and people that they deal with where the interaction is positive for both parties, and not only positive, but as soon as a synergy it leads to bigger outcomes than then they could achieve on their own. So So I definitely think that there is a mindset aspect to success and to being a successful entrepreneur,
David Ralph [21:38]
and successful folk. And I’ve mentioned this in numerous interviews, but they they give back to people who you wouldn’t expect them to help out. Certainly, in my early starting point on this, I was just randomly contacting people saying, Would you please come on this podcast? You’d never heard of me? The show hasn’t gone live? I’ve never recorded one before. You know, there was absolutely no reason for anyone really looking at it now to go. Yes, I will. But literally everyone did. And they said, Yes. Okay, I will do that. And I think with people who are successful, they realised that there was a starting point to them, as well, and they want to give back only
Sushant Misra [22:20]
that is that is very true. Every you know, any entrepreneur who’s again, who has gone through that process of struggling and, and trying to make it from very difficult circumstances. And I definitely come in that. in that category. They, you know, they definitely realise that the next generation of entrepreneurs, it’s so important to give back because
I and other entrepreneurs
are able to do something because other people gave something of themselves give freely. And yeah, so that that is a very important part. Giving back is an important part.
David Ralph [23:07]
When you started trip talks. Why did you go video? What Why did you actually film them? Because in many ways, it’s harder to do. But anyone who’s setting up those kind of things, you’ve got sort of bandwidth problems, and all those kind of stuff. It’s so much easier, I think, doing what I’m doing and just connect to Mike’s basically and bang, record it. So what was it about the video side, but that intrigued you?
Sushant Misra [23:32]
Well, for a variety of reasons, I think the biggest reason were is that I as a person, I believe in videos, I’m more of a visual individual, and I, when I’m taking a course, or doing anything else, I prefer video to any other medium. And that is just me, and I really believe in video. And so so I think that was the biggest reason. The second, the second reason would be that I know that video is growing as an industry as an internet marketing quite rapidly and the industry is moving towards in that direction. So from that aspect, also, it made sense that I do something in a video format. The third reason is that when I started, I was white, an amateur and I didn’t I did not really have a, I knew that I want to do something from this. But I did not know what exactly. And so I just started and I knew I had some idea that it’s it has it has, it will have something to do with videos. So with just having that intuition, and this is something that I’ve learned in my life, within the last few years, I’ve learned to listen to my intuition more and more. And I just having that intuition, I went with that. And now I’m at a point where where I really want to take trap talks into and to making it not not just an interview website, but creating more of an educational website for digital entrepreneurs where I bring in experts and, and and they teach entrepreneurs on very specific subjects related to digital entrepreneurship. And that is definitely going to be to make a lot more sense on a video format, and a screen based format. So so so those were some of my reasons, but I think my biggest reason was that I really believe in video as a format.
David Ralph [25:42]
I love the fact that you use the word intuition, because I’m just about to play a famous speech by Steve Jobs, who says almost exactly the same thing. This is back in 2005. But he was saying that you really need to trust your gut more than anything else. So I’m going to play it. And then I’m going to ask your feelings about his words.
Unknown Speaker [26:02]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future, you have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever, because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [26:38]
So Mr. Jobs is pretty much saying exactly what you just said.
Sushant Misra [26:43]
Um, yeah, I think I think so. And, and I, I, of course, I’ve listened to that speech many times before. And I completely agree with him, just based on my own personal experiences. I know that in the past, and I and I think that there’s something that a lot of people do in life is that, you know, they they go after they will go after a job, they will go after a relationship, you know, they will go after an opportunity, because just because it it seems, you know, it’s a shiny thing. And what I have realised is, a lot of times, even even though, you know, they would, even though subconsciously, you know, they know that it may not be the best thing for them. And,
and I think it does take a little bit of
training, to to listen to that subconscious was that, that you have to listen to your gut feelings. And and the people who don’t listen, it’s almost that you’re the person that destiny has set for you, you’re trying to push yourself away and, and take yourself in a different direction. And a lot of times what ends up happening is, you know, they have some sort of a setback or failure, you know, going in that path. And it has happened to me many, many times where, you know, I wanted to go off for a job because I thought it would it would make me look good, it will it will pay me good. And and in the end, it never worked out the way I wanted to. And, and looking back, I mean, it was always a mistake. And now I have learned to listen to my intuition a lot more. And, and it’s, it’s almost a bodily feeling. And, you know, a lot of people may not be able to be familiar with what I’m saying. Because a lot of people are not very in touch with their bodies and feelings. And the the fact that I practice yoga and some of these body body exercises I become to, to get in touch a lot more with the energy in my own body, and things of that nature. And, and I almost feel that if I, if I’m in a situation where you know, something is not right, or, you know, I’m trying to make a decision where my subconsciously, it’s not the right thing for me, I start getting, you know, a certain kind of gut feeling in my, in my, in my own body. And it’s it’s a it’s a it’s a feeling. I mean, it’s a it’s a very real feeling. And so I have I have learned to listen to that. And, and on the other side, when I’m doing something that is in line with what I what I’m supposed to do with with my interest and with my what I like to do, it’s you got a very light feeling in the body. And so I’ve definitely learned to listen to intuition and follow it and more often than not, it’s, it has it has, it has served me well.
David Ralph [30:08]
This life become easier, when you find that thing that you really want to do.
Sushant Misra [30:16]
The I, at first, I don’t think so. Because I think I think it’s, you have to be quite fortunate to, to, to find what you like to do, because a lot of people don’t even realise, you know, what, what is it that would that they truly like and want. And so a lot of times I advise young people to, to to involve themselves in a lot of different experiences. And what what that allows you to do is, you know, hopefully some experience will lead you to a path where you realise that the end you find out that, you know, that is something that you enjoy doing, will it will it make the life easier, I mean, initially, I probably don’t think so. Because and to get better at anything, you have to, you have to keep at it, you have to work hard, and you have to keep at it for a long period of time. But the only thing is that if you are doing something that you like, you’re going to keep on doing it even even if you’re not getting paid or even if you’re not getting some some concrete rewards out of that. And as a result of it, eventually you are going to get better at that. And hopefully life will get better as a result of that.
David Ralph [31:38]
I think your life is getting better. I’ve only met you tonight, this is the first time that we’ve ever spoke, but just listening to you, you have a belief in yourself that life is going to become very good indeed, having you
Sushant Misra [31:53]
I do have a very strong belief that life is going to get better otherwise I would not keep on going to doing what I’m doing. And and the only reason for that is that I know that as a result of what I’m doing and creating myself a very valuable individual in terms of the skills and and and what I have to offer to to anyone into the world. And and I know that valuable people don’t go unrewarded. So I do have very strong belief that that my life is going to get better,
David Ralph [32:25]
and your course working on it. Because the thing that one of the things I want to get into literally all these episodes is when you first started your journey, your path on whatever it was yoga mat store.com, or whatever the might have been things before that. You didn’t know what to do, did you none of us know what to do. We have these ideas. And we sit there and we think why Okay, how do I do this, and you start by researching and you get on the internet, and you look around, and then you try to surround yourself with people that are doing what you want to do to kind of pick up skills and stuff. How farther away from the finished article, were you when you first started.
Sushant Misra [33:07]
I was I was way too far. So you know, I was I was born in a small town in India, almost a village. And I was a very, very shy individual. Even up until, you know, the by the time that I came to Canada, when I was like 17 or 18 years old. And
when I got here,
there was no one to support me, I I got myself enrolled in a high school and I was working three jobs while I was working at high school and supporting myself. And I had no no support system in Canada, I didn’t know anyone. And I didn’t know how the system works. So I was a very nice you individual, and I’ve had quite a few experiences. Because of that. And I think I think the big thing that I found for myself in life was the only way to learn is to, to, to just take a lot of risks. And and I think I really think that my entrepreneurial personality helped me to do that is just to do a lot of different things, involve myself in a lot of different projects and learn and really listen to my gut feeling as to you know, what works for me, and what does not work for me. And once I realised something, you know, just just a gut feeling that, you know, this is something that that may be of interest to me, I just followed it blindly. And something else came out of that met people. And again, you know, a lot of people are very kind and to help you. So I was quite far away. And up until college, I did not know, I was still going on the idea that, you know, my parents telling me, you have to become a doctor. And just by following just by taking doing different experiences I I thought that entrepreneurship was something that would be interesting to me, and I followed it and here I am today
David Ralph [35:21]
on Join Up Dots, can it get any better than this?
Sushant Misra [35:25]
It’s a great opportunity and experience is that I’m learning.
David Ralph [35:29]
It’s the pinnacle, I promise you. What is it about Asian families, and the desire to have their kids is doctors because I come from the United Kingdom. And literally, I would say 95% of our doctors are Asian, what is it about the doctors and that that the parents like so much?
Sushant Misra [35:50]
Well, it comes from it really stems from and it’s not just an Indian thing, it’s I think it’s the same thing, but Chinese better, and a lot of Asian countries and in that area. And the reason for that is, is really cultural and geographic. And it’s that, you know, a lot of those countries are poor, and a lot of those countries have a lot of population. And as a result of that there’s a lot of competition that that that people in probably in UK or Canada or us can cannot put their wrap their mind around. And so one way out of that poverty and, and competition. And everything else that goes along with that is to have a job that pays you well. And in a lot of those countries, it’s either you become a doctor, or you become a software engineer, or you you know get in some sort of Civil Services. Job. So so that is the reason that the Asian families have this mindset that they they really want to promote their children and and prepare them so that they can get get one of these jobs so that they can live their lives better and hopefully create a better future for their their children and families.
David Ralph [37:22]
Do you think that will change with with the explosion of the internet that we’re seeing just the fact that you and myself, were having this conversation, and you’re in Canada, I’m just outside London, and we click a couple of buttons, boom? Do you think that the sort of Asian families will ultimately pull away from standard careers like that and say to the young students at the world? Why don’t you set up a website and start selling your own products and that kind of thing?
Sushant Misra [37:50]
Yeah, I think I think that is very true. And the world is definitely changing very rapidly. Even if you look at in the last 20 years, and even in the last 10 years, the world has really changed a lot. And the world, in my opinion, will become a lot more open in the coming coming years. And so the barriers, and and hopefully not not just in the Asian countries, but other poor countries in the world, in Africa, there will be a lot more push for people to, to pursue paths and careers that they find fulfilling and that they enjoy doing. And I really think there will be a lot more entrepreneurs coming out as a result of that change. And and, and that is a mission that I am personally promoting with my with my project trip docs. And as as just just as an entrepreneur, this is an area that I’m quite passionate about. And because I really think that a lot of the problems that we have today in the world can be solved using entrepreneurship and creative entrepreneurs using their skills and, and talents to to solve some of the big problems in the world.
David Ralph [39:10]
on your site, you talk about one trippin years, and entrepreneurs. But what is the kind of difference between the two because until recently, entrepreneur was just a made up word. I’ve never really heard of it. But now you hear it more often, especially in the online world. What What is the difference between the two?
Sushant Misra [39:30]
Well, I think I think I I personally don’t, I think that even a person who’s who’s wanting to be an entrepreneur, or in a host wanting to do something I personally consider all experience to be good experience, hopefully, you know, if someone is pursuing some something or entrepreneurship for, for reasons, other than that they really want to so you know, a lot of times people get into entrepreneurship, because they see role models like Elon Musk, or Richard Branson, or Steve Jobs, and they think that, you know, I want to do the same thing. It’s just like, you know, people go to Hollywood to become actors and actresses, because, you know, they see the glamorous lifestyle and, but but a lot of times they are doing for doing it for the wrong reasons. But I don’t consider it a bad thing. Because I think that hopefully, through that experience, they’re going to learn something about themselves, and they’re going to hopefully find some find something to do that they truly enjoy or find an entrepreneurial project that would be in line with what their skills and interests are. So I really don’t consider a want to want to print money or to be a bad thing.
David Ralph [40:48]
Because I just I think it’s all the same really, I think he’s an entrepreneur, he’s just really an action taker is an is somebody that isn’t salary based, and actually has to develop hustle muscle and get out there and shake things up.
Sushant Misra [41:04]
Sure, yeah. So you know, I guess then I want I want I want a printer is going to be someone who’s just who’s just not profitable yet.
David Ralph [41:14]
Yeah, I think so I think I’m, I’m in bed at the moment, I’m doing this out of the love of doing it. And I agree with you totally, as you were saying earlier, you know, ultimately, if you provide enough value to people, and certainly the feedback I’m getting is that people are enjoying the shows, and are gaining insight into a new life, but you will ultimately get get your rewards. But on the business side of things, it’s not me at all, I just know that from from the moment I’ve started creating this business, the away from the mic time is just hard work. And I would like nothing more than to just walk in, turn the mic on, have a conversation and walk away and let somebody else do all the rest of it. So I don’t I’m an entrepreneur at all, do you
Sushant Misra [42:03]
know that is not true? As I mentioned before, entrepreneurship is really, it is hard work. And I would like to quote Ilan musk definition, or, I believe he said someone someone else told him this, that entrepreneurship is like, looking into the abyss and choosing fluff. And it what it really means that the looking into the abyss part of that you have a vision and, and, and nothing else. And it’s almost like you don’t know what’s going to happen next, and you don’t know where your actions are going to leave you lead you. And chewing the glass part is that as an entrepreneur, a lot of times the first time entrepreneurs have to do things that they don’t enjoy. So maybe you know, you enjoy talking to people but add afterwards, maybe you have to edit the edit the you’re interviews and you have to market them and and and all of those things that maybe you don’t enjoy and and you have to do that until you have enough resources. So you can hire other people who can help you with those things. But but that I think that is definitely the dilemma of an entrepreneur,
David Ralph [43:19]
when when to hand it over to somebody else. And certainly in the early stages when you are building it and you’re financially strapped a bit. You know, so many people have said to me, so many of the entrepreneurs and, you know, actors and whatever that I’ve been talking to, they all say as soon as you can get a coach and also outsource the things that you’re not very good at. But there’s there’s a tipping point isn’t there, when you’re trying to get something started and you you don’t feel that you’ve got the money to actually push it in that direction. Even though if you did, you’d probably be able to get things up and running a lot quicker.
Sushant Misra [43:55]
Yes, and a lot of times you have to be you have to be creative, come up with creative ideas, to to either come up with the money or find people who can help you with your project. And a lot of times if you have a grand vision and if you’re very passionate, you’re going to find people who would be willing to work you as a partner and help you with their expertise. And and there is definitely a good way to to kickstart your project.
David Ralph [44:27]
Because you have Kickstarter trip talks, when I was looking at it yesterday, before I as I knew you were coming on and before this show, I was surprised by the calibre of some of the people that you’ve had on there. Certainly somebody like Tim Ferriss, which he may not be in name, but every listener is aware of but certainly once again in the online world, he’s a big cheese. How did you manage to get him on your show?
Sushant Misra [44:56]
Yeah, he’s he’s a big deal in North America, for sure. And also in the online world? Well, I interviewed Tim Ferriss in person. And believe it or not, he was one of one of my first one of the first people who I interviewed and they just just as a matter of luck, there’s there’s a lot of things in life, you know, that you will find as an entrepreneur, when you start out on your journey on that. Looking into the abyss journey, you’ll find that a lot of things happen that that you’ll you’ll find yourself saying, you know, if that was not luck, I don’t know what that was. And there was something something along the same same line. For me my meeting with Tim Ferriss. One day, I was just on a website on an event website. And I found that Tim Ferriss was going to be in town for an event. And just following my gut, I didn’t I didn’t know, you know, I will get the chance to meet Tim Ferriss or be able to talk to him. You know, I was just following my gut, because it was a huge event, there will be a lot of thousands and thousands of people there. Why would why would Tim Ferriss want to talk to me and, you know, provide risk interview responses to me. I mean, I didn’t even have a single interview on my website. So you know, I just followed my gut and I somehow and and there is definitely a hustle aspect of of this, you know, I hustled my way in, and I somehow persuaded one of the event organisers to give me back backstage pass to Tim Ferriss. I asked him, I gave him my card, and he, he declined. And he said, No, I can’t, you know, I have to talk to a lot of people, I won’t be able to do this. And, you know, I mean, it was just pure perseverance. And I, I just stuck around. And I was, I mean, he was, he was, he was there. And he saw that I persevered. I know, I didn’t try to force anything on him. And, you know, after five, six hours of waiting there. And, and he was there, he was looking at me, and I asked him again. And it was I think, midnight at that point. And and he said yes. And that was that.
David Ralph [47:26]
Well, good on you. Good on you for perseverance, because that’s what it’s all about, as you were saying that it wasn’t mastermind talks, but he he was at
Sushant Misra [47:37]
which mastermind took
David Ralph [47:38]
the days I was interviewed a chap, I think he was on episode 12 called Jason Gaynor, who runs a kind of mastermind conference in Canada, just down the road from you. And I was wondering if it was it? Was that event that you met him at?
Sushant Misra [47:55]
Oh, no, it was it was a it was a local event. An organisation a government organisation that? That that for entrepreneurship. They support entrepreneurs. I don’t I don’t remember exactly when but I but I don’t think it was not the mastermind event that you’re referring to.
David Ralph [48:14]
So just bringing us to the end of the show, what what is your favourite dot? When you look back? What What was the big dot that really started to pushing you to where you are now, sometimes it’s a good thing. And people say thank God, it was other times at the time, it was a bad thing. But now I look back on it. And it was a positive. But is there a centralised.to your path that you can actually look back and go? Yes, that was the moment?
Sushant Misra [48:43]
Yes, when when I look back, I think one incident one event definitely stand out from everything else which which I believe that definitely changed the trajectory of my my life. And me being an entrepreneur. And that was after after graduation, as I mentioned before, I decided to pursue my intuition and wanted to start a business. But I did not know what kind of business to start or I didn’t have any idea or even resources to start a business. So the first thing that I did is get a job selling telecommunication products. It was a telemarketer. Job, basically. And at the beginning, I thought that it was going to be a temporary thing. But that’s that’s the thing with the with a nine to five job that you you, you get addicted to the paychecks. And so you know, after six months, seven months down the road, I found myself really hating the job because I you know, I didn’t want to do that. And I realised that that was not something that I wanted to I wanted to do in life. And that is that that was not the reason I did not pursue a career in my chosen field of study. And so one day, I just got fed up. without any reason I wrote my resignation letter, and I handed it to my manager, which which in hindsight, seems like a pretty stupid thing to do. But I handed it to her and I walked out. And I really think, you know, at that time I didn’t have right after I had given that resignation letter, I didn’t have any sources of income or any places to support myself, I may have had a few dollars in my bank account. And after after getting over the guess, the the negative feelings of you know, not not having encounter anything like that in my life, I realised that I was free. And I could you know, that forced me to come up with an idea and pursue that. And I really think that if I hadn’t done that, and if I had gone back to a nine to five job, I mean, I would be at a different, different place today than I am
David Ralph [51:12]
right now. And I think every single one of our guests have said the same thing. And I can personally pinpoint my.it wasn’t a good time in my life. But I look back on it and go, thank God, thank God for that. Because I wouldn’t have found my path here. Just before we let you go, Susan, this is the part of the show, which I like to call the Sermon on the mic. And this is when we make you a time traveller, and we send you back to have a one on one with your younger self, what will you say to them, if you managed to sit on the sofa with your 11 year old version, your five year old version, so I’m going to play the music and when it fades out, I’m going to go quiet and you’re the presenter of the show. as busy as the Sermon on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [51:56]
Here we go with the best speed up the show.
Sushant Misra [52:15]
Well, if I had to go back and talk to my younger self, or the younger people, the younger generation, my biggest advice would be because young people a lot of times don’t have a lot of life experience. They don’t know what they’re good at yet. So my biggest advice to you and something that I would have loved to do at a much younger age than I could is don’t don’t wait for life to happen to you. Don’t wait until the time that you’re going to get a job and you know, start a family and things things like that. Make make life happen for you. Because there’s not nothing and no one stopping you from from making that happen. So, if you if you don’t know about yourself a lot, just just involve yourself in a lot of different experiences get a lot of life experience. And it’s going to help you in life in general. So that that would be my biggest advice. Don’t Don’t, don’t wait. Because there’s there’s nothing. If you take action, you will realise that you have all the skills and resources, personal resources to do anything that you want. And so there’s no reason to wait and make life happen for you.
David Ralph [53:44]
And if you haven’t got the skills, most of the time you can learn them.
Sushant Misra [53:48]
Your skills you can always learn. Yeah.
David Ralph [53:51]
So how can people connect with you? So the listeners out there that I’m sure I’ve been inspired by your conversation? We’ve mentioned trip talks, we’ve mentioned yoga, yoga mat store.com, still can’t say I’m going to practice that. How can people connect to you?
Sushant Misra [54:06]
Yes, my soul trip talks is my current website. And it’s a web based show. And and soon going to be an educational platform where anyone who’s interested in online marketing, or anyone who is interested in finding clients online or generating revenues online, can can go there and learn from very experienced entrepreneurs and experts and online marketers directly and reduce their their learning curve. Because these people are sharing the best thing that has worked for them. And the only thing that that that gets you results. So I would invite you to visit my website, it’s trapped docs.com. And yeah, you have all the different options, you can connect with me on Twitter, Facebook, Google Plus from there. If you want to contact me go in the contact section and you can easily get in touch with me. So I would highly recommend and invite you to visit my website.
David Ralph [55:08]
Well, I’m so glad that we got in contact with each other. Because you’ve been an absolute delight on the show today. You’ve been open, generous and of course talkative. And the beauty of this show is our histories keep on going forward. So in future times, if you’ve got something that you want to come back and share with us, come back up, and we can connect the dots again because I believe that looking back and joining up our dots is actually the best opportunity that we have to build our future. So shan’t Mishra. Thank you so much.
Sushant Misra [55:37]
Thank you so much for the opportunity, David. I really enjoyed it. And I wish you all the best.
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