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Introducing Thai Nguyen
If you think that you need to start your journey of discovery and fulfilment from a privileged position or its never going to work then think again.
Todays guest joining us on the Join Up Dots podcast interview is Mr Thai Nguyen, who started his journey and I guess life in quite an unusual place, and it certainly was with no entitlement.
Born in Vietnam, he was then taken to live in a refuge camp in Indonesia, before moving again to Australia, where he resides today.
He has overcome challenges both financially and physically, with incredible persistence and commitment.
He has played Rugby at the National Championship in Canada, competed in Thai Boxing at International level, worked as a Professional Chef at a 5-Star Hotel, and even run a small food business.
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Thai Nguyen, has completed a Bachelor of Humanities degree from The College At Southwestern in Fort Worth, Texas and is currently doing a Masters Degree.
If that isn’t impressive enough, then this man who seems to be born with an inherent talent to take action, has created his own website entitled the Wantrepreneur journey.com, where he encourages his readers and listeners to strive to find their unique self.
As he says in his own words “I believe that everything you do in life is either an expression of who you truly are or a distraction from who you truly are. Discovering who you truly are is the burning question in everyone’s soul.”
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only Thai Nguyen.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Thai Nguyen such as:
How his name is also a province in Vietnam!
How humans try to hold themselves back with limiting self beliefs….often provided by the people that love us the most!
How he remembers the moment when he realized what his true path was in life….and how he had to take action on it!
Why successful people are so eager to help others lower down to achieve the success that they have experienced!
How the great comedian Steve Martin has advice that we should all follow in everything that we do!
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Audio Transcription Of Thai Nguyen Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host, live from the back of his garden in the UK, David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:25]
Hello, everybody, how are you today? If you’re listening on, buddy, but this is released, hopefully that’s the case. Because when that means you are avid listeners, and you’ve been following through for the other 4445 episodes. And so if that is the case is the 12th of June. So I hope it’s a nice sunny day out there. And you’re spending time with your family. But of course, you might stumble across the show 10 years time, so I’ve got no idea what day it is. But hopefully you’ll enjoy it just as much as I’m going to. And there’s certain guests, but I get on. And it’s funny, when you start doing a show with like this. It’s all about creating momentum. And you have to connect with lots of people, but you don’t know very well. And hopefully you inspire the conversation, which is both motivating and interesting for the listener. The guy I’ve got on today, until last week, I hadn’t heard of him at all, I’ll be honest. But I’ve started doing some investigation. And quite frankly, I become a bit excited because he has got a history, which is not only dream making. It’s fascinating in its extreme. So I’m I’ve been really looking forward to this guy. So it won’t take much longer. And I’m going to bring him on. But let me introduce you first to him. Quite frankly, to all of you out there. If you think that you need to start your journey of discovery and fulfilment from a privileged position, or it’s never going to work. When think again. Today’s guest started his journey and I guess live in quite an unusual place. And it certainly was with no entitlement. Born in Vietnam, it was been taken to the in a refugee camp in Indonesia, before moving again to Australia where he resides today. He’s overcome challenges both financially and physically with incredible persistence and commitment. He’s played rugby at the national championship in Canada, competed in Thai boxing at international level, worked as a professional chef at a five star hotel, and even run a small food business. And now if that doesn’t make him busy enough, he’s also completed a Bachelor of humanities degree from the college at Southwestern in Fort Worth, Texas, that’s quite hard to say, and is currently doing a master’s degree. Now if that isn’t doubly impressive enough, but this man who seems to be born with an inherent talent to take action, has created his own website entitled the entrepreneur journey.com, where he encourages his readers and listeners to strive to find their unique self. As he says in his own words, I believe that everything you do in life is either an expression of who you truly are, or a distraction from who you truly are. discovering who you are truly is the burning question in everyone’s so. So let’s find out today how he found his unique self. As I start Join Up Dots will be inspirational. Ty, when How are you sir?
Thai Nguyen [3:13]
I’m doing great. David, thank you so much for having me on. And you are far too kind with your introduction.
David Ralph [3:19]
Well, I took it all from your website anyway. So I’m so sorry. So in your own words, young man.
Thai Nguyen [3:27]
Yeah. And I shoot myself in the foot with that. But you
David Ralph [3:30]
you have you have done a lot, haven’t you? You you’ve done a huge amount in such a that’s such a small period of time. Really? How old? Are you at the moment? If you don’t mind me asking?
Thai Nguyen [3:41]
I 1030 at the start of this year, so hit big three, zero.
David Ralph [3:47]
And how was it when you turn 30? was it? Was it a shocker? Or was there was no sort of change in your life at all?
Thai Nguyen [3:56]
You know, it’s funny, I get asked a lot of that Michael accomplishments and at that age and growing up and never did think that that was anything too far out of the ordinary. But the more that I reflect I do tend to think that I have squeezed in a lot. So hitting 30 was, it was a pretty good feeling. You know, on one hand, it’s it’s quite a milestone for myself, but at the same time, just being thankful for what I’ve been able to experience.
David Ralph [4:24]
And what is the main thing when you when you look back on that period of turning 30? Was there one thing that you sort of where well, not not just the sort of breadth of action that you’ve taken, but was there one thing that you went? Well, I’m really pleased that I did. But even though it might have not been in my comfort zone, when I first went into it?
Thai Nguyen [4:44]
Yeah, absolutely getting the the bachelor’s degree down was massive for me, because I’d always see myself as a very typical jock growing up into sports and not very bright and the intellect and for whatever reason, you know, I held on to that identity. And that’s, that’s something I’m really passionate about in, I guess the message that I preach today is, is really being aware of that, that script that you’ve got running through your mind, and and I’m working on a book, because I’m so passionate about that. But all that to say accomplishing that bachelor’s degree was huge, because I had a script running through my mind saying that I was a very smart person. But but really overcoming that getting that degree down was was massive when I was turning 30.
David Ralph [5:34]
Why? Why do you think that we have these internal dialogues, everyone has them, where you’re thinking, I’m not good enough, I shouldn’t be doing this. Other people have got the skills that I haven’t when we can learn the skills, and we can almost fake it until we make it and believe that we are going to achieve until finally you can look around yourself and think, Oh my god, I’m kind of where I should be or where I’m wanted to be. What do you think that we have as a human nature? Any ideas?
Thai Nguyen [6:05]
Yeah, I really do think it’s part of the human experience. David, I think it’s part of the process of learning that we’re all highly impressionable people. And that’s the way that we learn we absorb. And so we have a tendency to take on both positive and negative and it’s that ability to filter the positive from the negative that we, we lack. And what’s difficult is a lot of the information comes from people that we love, and they’re not aware of some of the negatives that they feed us. And so for myself, some of the the negative scripts actually came from my family. And I really held on to it, because because I love them. And so for a lot of us some of the scripts, the negative scripts actually come from people that care about us but aren’t fully aware of, of how potent the words that they’re giving to us
David Ralph [6:56]
really are. He’s fascinating, isn’t it? Really, because, you know, you’re Episode 45 now, and literally every single episode, the same beams come out. And it doesn’t matter. It’s a lady, a man, American English, whatever, we all have the same issues. And one of the major issues is our, our desire to anchor ourselves to people who potentially without knowing it, or holding us back.
Thai Nguyen [7:25]
Yeah, absolutely. That’s, that’s interesting that these names come up, you know, I’m being interviewed by you. So I don’t get the privilege of being able to hear a lot of the interviews that you get. But that’s interesting that this theme comes up.
David Ralph [7:40]
I saw a picture on the internet, I didn’t you, I draw pictures all over the place. And it was it was a professor, and I can’t remember his name for the life of me. But it was a picture of him. And it was some quotes that he said, and pretty much what he was saying, and you’re clever chap, you probably know who this guy is. And he said, you know, if you plant a tree in the ground, the tree is going to grow to the highest point that that tree could possibly grow to, if you put a cheetah in a field, that Cheetah is going to run as fast as a cheetah can possibly go, you put a human, the human is going to hold itself back. And it rarely reaches the potential that that human can actually achieve. For whatever reason we hold ourselves back. And it’s it is it’s a shame isn’t it is it is a shame that so many people, and that’s one of the reasons I’m doing these shows, to sort of inspire people to go, yes. Start moving, start trying, and something good is going to happen, or hopefully. Yeah, that’s that’s a really profound statement for that Professor. And that’s, that’s really interesting. I completely agree. But But why? Why do you think that we want to hold ourselves back, you put yourself in a room tonight, I’m going to put you in because you’re a hugely inspirational guy, I’m going to put you in a room of 100 people. And I bet individually, if you said to them, what do you most want in life, they’re gonna say, I want freedom. I want money, I want success. I want all those kind of things. But they don’t, they’re not actually working to achieve that. And it’s Yeah, it’s weird, why we have these dreams, we have these aspirations. But actually, the resolve to get off our backsides and do something about it. Is is always been put to tomorrow. And all know, I watch, I need to watch a new episode of 24. Today, I’m going to do that tomorrow, and someone else comes along, someone else comes along when the weekend and then we’re back into the next week again.
Thai Nguyen [9:36]
Yeah, and you know, I can’t remember exactly who said this quote, but I think it sheds a tonne of light on on exactly what we’re talking about. And the quote is, our problem is, is that we set out aim too high. And and we miss it’s when we set our goals too low when we reach them. And I think that that really answers that question of going into a room or just encountering a lot of humans that don’t reach their potential is, is it’s not that we aim and shoot for goals that are too high, and we miss them. But we we set low standards. And by reaching them, we create this feeling of achievement that’s far below what we’re capable of. But we settled for that, because it still feels like a satisfying sort of arrival at a goal. And I think that’s what we all strive after. And it’s kind of this, I guess it’s a truncated, goal setting model that we we live by and and again, it’s just, it’s sort of falling into that false false achievement.
David Ralph [10:43]
Did you know what you can achieve in in your heart of hearts? Because as you as you’re talking to me on skype on the other screen, I’ve got, I’ve still got the introduction, but I sort of led into the episode with and I’m looking down there as you were saying things I was thinking, yeah, okay, yeah, achieved, it broke them. And he did Thai boxing, and now he’s a professional chef and stuff. And it almost seems like a scattergun approach leading up to now. But you obviously got to the top of all the areas that you competed in, or you try it in, what can you achieve in your own life time.
Thai Nguyen [11:21]
That’s the thing I think grew up growing up, I never really put limitations on on what was possible. And I think that’s the reason why I’ve been able to achieve success and in different fields. And, and the funny thing is, it’s something I need to continually rein in and keep in check that, that not only myself, but I mean, all of us is, as human beings are able to reach almost any goal that we set for ourselves. And so going back through previous successes and what I’m capable of, of doing, you know, I’m constantly reminding myself that if I work hard i can i can truly achieve any goal possible. And, and that was something I think I was lucky enough to catch early on in life early on enough to be able to enjoy success in those different areas.
David Ralph [12:12]
So let’s start joining up the dots. And let’s go back a bit bit away from now, because I’m going to touch on your website and the current work that you’re doing. But if we go back in time, is fascinating. You’re born in Vietnam. And one of the things that I’m going to ask you now because I, I started Googling your name before you came on the show to find out things about you. And it seemed on the outside quite an unusual name. It doesn’t sound unusual when you say it tie when, but when you actually spell it, you have to look twice at making sure that you get the vowel sounds in order. And it’s hugely popular, isn’t it? There’s hundreds, thousands of people with the same name. And there’s even a province in Viet Nam, which is your name?
Unknown Speaker [12:56]
Yeah. How does that work?
David Ralph [12:58]
Are you sort of nice off the area? Was that where you can see? Who knows?
Thai Nguyen [13:07]
I asked that question, as well, David, but my parents have told me no, it is is pure coincidence that there is a province named after, after myself. They just I think the word Thai in Vietnamese also means free. And so my parents like to that concept. And, and when is is actually a very common Vietnamese last time. It’s almost like this myth of Vietnam, which makes it such a common name when you googled, yeah, it did it. It flew out there was you know, I really didn’t know what to look at first. But um,
David Ralph [13:44]
yeah. When you when he was in Vietnam, he was a baby. And the interesting point is not valid. For me it was living in a refugee camp in Indonesia. What was your parents made to leave Vietnam? Or did they choose to leave in them? or How did that happen? That you ended up in that coin?
Thai Nguyen [14:03]
Yeah, it was, it was a bit of bit of both, actually. So my dad worked in politics for the South Vietnamese government. So there was tension between the communist and the north and the south. And after the fall of Saigon, and the north, implemented the communist regime, he was put into prison for about five years. And so there was there was still tension after the war, there was still a lot of animosity. And of course, while you had the freedom to remain in the country, the the freedom was a very conditional freedom, to the point that it wasn’t really freedom. So you have a mass exodus of South the enemy’s people to Canada, to the United States and to Australia, but leaving through the stopping point of different refugee camps. And so while my dad is in prison, the family saved up together some money and what you would do, you would pay for someone who was able to navigate the water, you would pay for a very cheap wooden boat, get out to the main ship that would head to the refugee camp. So that’s what our family did. I was about six months at the time. But as soon as my dad was released from the prisoner camp, then we left the country and spent about a year in the refugee camp in Indonesia, before getting accepted into Australia.
David Ralph [15:28]
And in Australia, is that where you now call home? Or do you still Yeah,
Thai Nguyen [15:33]
yeah. Yes, I’m an Australian citizen now. And even though I studied abroad, I’d spent a couple of years living in Thailand when I was competing there and spent a year living in Canada playing rugby there four and a half years doing my degrees in Texas. But ultimately, yeah, Australia is where I call home.
David Ralph [15:56]
And what is it about? I’ve been to Australia a couple of times, but I’ve only been into the Perth area. Unfortunately for me, I’ve got probably about 2030 relatives who all live in Western Australia. So whenever they know that we’re anywhere in the area, we get sucked into that side and we never see anything else. So I’ve only ever seen Perth. So you’re Sydney the other side.
Thai Nguyen [16:19]
David Ralph [16:21]
Okay. And are you a surfer boy? Are you what’s what’s the outdoor life in Australia?
Thai Nguyen [16:28]
Did you keep in? Yeah. You know, unfortunately, I never hit the surf as much as as I’d like to the growing up. Rugby is huge in Australia. And I think a lot of people will typically joke about Australia being a, you know, a con convict settlement had recently. Yeah, but I do think that kind of an attitude as persisted the very laid back kind of attitude. And so growing up, you know, very exposed to that. That was the bomb, kind of last song and plan a lot of rugby. But I mean, I definitely am absolutely thankful. For all my experiences in Australia. I think we’ve got a huge travelling culture. Ozzy’s love to travel. And that’s definitely helped form who I am as a person. So I’m thankful for, for the culture of Australia, in that respect.
David Ralph [17:27]
It’s so far away bow tie, isn’t it? And that?
Thai Nguyen [17:30]
It is it is. I think that’s why when we travel, we tend to stay for longer periods of time.
David Ralph [17:36]
Yeah, I went down there. I’ve been to America loads and loads of times, and I can just get on a plane and I will just kind of zone out and get off at the other end in in America. Brilliant. I can do that. But I remember going to Australia and taking a sleeping pill and sleeping for like 16 hours and waking up and feeling Oh my God, I’ve got another day left on this plane. It’s it’s, it’s put me off to be I now think that if God wanted me to go to Australia, he wouldn’t have put America so close.
Thai Nguyen [18:06]
It is it is shockingly lie. I completely agree.
David Ralph [18:11]
So so when you decided to start moving away from Australia and going abroad, was there a reluctance from your, your parents and your family? Because as far as I know, the sort of Asian families are very, very close knit. And the support is possibly stronger than I would feel in in the United Kingdom. So was there a reluctance to see you go always pride but ya know, it seemed pushed, pushing yourself.
Thai Nguyen [18:43]
It’s funny, you know, Australian families, and I’m sorry, Asian families are very close knit. And, and it’s funny when I think back now I just finished high school. And I told them, I was 17 2018. And I said, I’ve taken off for for a year. Yeah. And even while I was in Canada, I played for the USA team, Nova Scotia provincial side that that’s the province I represented at the national competition. But even when we travelled and toured and played, the parents would travel alongside their kids, and that just be baffled that a 1718 year old kid was just galloping around the world by by himself. And so I think it back up, I’m surprised at how little resistance I got from my family, and I’m just, I’m ever so thankful, I think you you begin to appreciate your parents, the older you get. And I’m definitely finding that in my own life. as the years roll on, I’m more and more thankful for everything that that they taught me and even, even a few travels to come to the States. And even though I do get older, there’s still that tight connexion within the car, family,
David Ralph [20:00]
all any little ties out there at the moment.
Unknown Speaker [20:04]
A little bit to David.
David Ralph [20:09]
I’ve got five, I’ve got five and they most five and a grandson. And they most of them are sort of grown up and I’m left with the younger ones. And it doesn’t exhaust me, it really does exhaust me like I never knew before. So I do think it is genetics way of saying having when you’re younger time, this is what I’m saying to you. By the time this interview is finished. Don’t going out there and having children get them out of the way, sir.
Thai Nguyen [20:36]
You know, I’d love to and I’m constantly telling God, hey, any minute now, I’m ready. But obviously, I’m not ready because he hasn’t hasn’t brought someone into my life.
David Ralph [20:48]
Yeah, and you can’t force the fact you can’t be on a bus thinking I’m ready now. And the newest person gets it? No, that’s not how it works.
Thai Nguyen [20:55]
David Ralph [20:57]
A BIT bit of a romance. That’s what we need in in the world. Okay. So what I’d like to do now, the theme of the show is Steve Jobs, iconic speech back in 2005. But when he spoke to a group of graduates, I’m leaving Stanford University. And it’s, it’s a world famous speech. And it really, it has struck home, how famous it is. And it’s very, very simple and very precise. I’m going to play it now. And then I’d like to sort of ask your opinion on it. And as I do with most people, whether it’s, it’s relevant to you, has it been relevant to your life, and where the power of it comes, because he certainly might be a powerful, a few words. So this is Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [21:38]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards, 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future, you have to trust in something, you’re getting destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road, will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [22:14]
So the question to tie is, does it make all the difference is is that faith that trust, but things are going to join up somehow important to all of us?
Thai Nguyen [22:26]
Yeah, absolutely. You know, it’s something that I think has become more and more true. In more recent years, as, as I’ve looked back, and I think that whole element of joining the dots, you know, that there are I do believe that there are some head that just that just don’t join out necessarily in terms of a continuation but but a lesson that can be taken from it. So when I look back at my life, you know, I absolutely see where you know, when I say that the dots don’t join in the sense that I’m doing exactly something in a sequential manner. There was a lesson that was crucial that I’ve taken from that previous experience. And so when I think about Join Up Dots, I see more of it as in as an experiences and and the lessons that I’ve taken from previous experiences. Because when you look at my life, people will say that, I mean, how do you even join the dots with with your life, you were a, a professional chef, and then a professional fighter? Now you’re a writer and speaker, and you do online work. And you know that they’re just so disparate and unconnected. And that’s where I tell them you know, there is a connexion on the dots. It’s just, although it’s not as obvious, it’s more subtle in terms of a mindset shift that I had, through this experience, a talent that I developed in this experience. And so for me, that’s where that quote from Steve Jobs really, really hits time it really becomes reality
David Ralph [24:07]
is truth to all of us. So isn’t it that there’s there’s no getting away from it unless you you land your bed every day and never come out and speak to people, you are going to be having feelings, you’re going to have emotions, you’re going to have things occur to you force run through your head. And by following those, even though you don’t know what you’re doing at that time. I think everyone will look back and go, yes, I can see now I can I put my hands up now. And I can say the reason I’m talking to you now Ty is because this happened. That happened that happened. And I’ve got about six or seven dots leading down. I didn’t know it at the time, it was just stuff that was happening. But I can certainly look back and go, yes, I think I’ve now found my unique path. And the only way I’ve got there is by doing the steps, but I just kind of did. There wasn’t planning, it was just stuff that I did. But I built up the skills built up the ability to competence, whatever it is to take that next step and that leap of faith. And I think everyone out there and it really is the sort of the message of every single episode is, it doesn’t matter that I’m speaking to you, Ty, it doesn’t matter that I’m speaking to Donald Trump or whoever, literally to a man or woman. We don’t know what we’re doing. You just try things and try things and try things until things start clicking. And will you find something you enjoy? Or or whatever. But it’s the trying, overcoming those failures, which is the key point, isn’t it? There’s there’s no quick route to success.
Thai Nguyen [25:37]
Yeah, now, and that’s why I love the fact that Steve Jobs is someone that said that because we have a tendency to put people on such a high pedestal, and we tend to think that they just have everything mapped out. But here Steve Jobs, really shed light on that universal human experience that we all struggle with, you know, what’s the next going to look like? What’s the future going to look like? But you really need to step out. And then it’s it. It’s like that, like quite that hindsight is always 2020 that you can you can see clearly when you’re looking in hindsight.
David Ralph [26:15]
Yeah, absolutely. Now you your key thing, I think is linked to mine and link to everyone else, you have found your unique self. And when you find your unique self, the path becomes clear, doesn’t it? It just seems to flow. And you have you have power, you have energy, you have enthusiasm that you possibly didn’t have before when it was employment you was after, when you find your unique self, everything just sort of does flow when you found yours. Where were you can Can you remember that distinctly? Or was it something that just kind of gradually crept over you?
Thai Nguyen [26:53]
Yeah, no, I do remember it, I was I was actually back into the kitchen working and as thankful for everything that I experienced in my my shift days, it wasn’t something that I wanted to go back to. And I’d reached a point where I was just uncertain about things and took a step that led me back into the kitchen. And although was a great employer that I was working for I was working with great people, it was just, I found myself at a point where I just I did not ever want to be working for someone else. And I’d always had an entrepreneurial spirit in me that wanted to be my own boss, and just to get up in the morning and do absolutely what I wanted, and, and do something that was valuable to others as well. And so that’s where I was, and I made the decision to to leave that position. And I went back home and launched the website and have not looked back since.
David Ralph [27:54]
So So tell me why entrepreneur journey.com. Now, it’s an interesting phrase, but now I understand what it is because it’s very so prevalent in the online world. But for our listeners out there that may not have heard that name, entrepreneur, just just give us a background information of what that actually means.
Thai Nguyen [28:12]
Yeah, sure. So it’s a plant words with an entrepreneur, that someone that wants to be an entrepreneur. So they’ve just combined that concept to a watcher printer. And it’s interesting, because the word actually has a fair bit of I guess, negative connotations online and, and my mindset going into it was, at first I wanted to steer away from it, because I thought now people are giving negative connotations to the word I mean, saying that, that someone who is a watch printer actually never never gets there. But on my end, I just I saw it. As you know, a lot of entrepreneurs don’t get there not because of lack of passion or drive, it’s because of lack of knowledge, really. And it was an opportunity to really kind of rebrand or, or redefined entrepreneur. And so that was a big motivation. For me, you know, they they always say, find a big enough why for anything, and you can do almost any how. And so finding a why was really important for me, and that related to the URL name. And that key word of entrepreneur that I wanted to redefine the the approach of the outlook for,
David Ralph [29:28]
do you think a URL, the actual sort of a.com name is is vitally important?
Thai Nguyen [29:35]
You know, I think you try and leverage wherever you can. And most people will say that a.com will, will look better, but I always go back to Steve Martin’s quote for everything that I do. And that’s be so good. They can’t ignore you. Yeah. And honestly, I think it goes with qualifications that goes with degree, if you’re producing good enough content, it doesn’t matter if it’s a dot o rG a.net a.edu or.edu, or adult, whatever. If you’re producing great enough content, no one’s going to ignore the work you’re doing.
David Ralph [30:16]
It’s simple, isn’t it? Really, cuz I remember when I started getting together, and I was thinking, Join Up Dots.com. Now that’s too many dots, that’s a dot and adult icon of Join Up Dots.com? Should I have Join Up? Dots calm, and I kind of had it going on my head. And then I was thinking, well Join Up Dots. That’s not good. SEO, that’s not gonna work. Where’s the key word in there? And I played around for ages, where should I be calling it some kind of meaningful, easy praise that people type in. And in the end artists are sorted, let’s go with it and see, see how it turns out. And actually now I’m finding because the shows up and running and it is out there. That’s actually the strength of it. But it’s, it’s memorable boy, it’s very short. And it’s memorable, and it’s sweet. And bang, you can go with it. But um, I I had a lot of problems in at the beginning, wanting it to be too perfect. We’re actually looking back on it now I should have just gone with it. And as you say, try to do as good as I possibly can build up the audience. And then it becomes a brain doesn’t it? It’s like, um, there’s a chat that I talked about quite a lot, you would have heard of Pat Flynn. And he’s got on your website, smart, passive income. And that’s brilliant, smart, passive income. But I bet he had the same thoughts at the beginning, you know, is that enough, you know, but now he’s got the branding, and he’s got the the profile, you just think that it’s an inspired choice for a website URL? Don’t you?
Thai Nguyen [31:46]
Know, I’m sure he went through absolutely the same doubts. But again, he’s producing incredible content that I mean, it doesn’t really matter what he probably calls it to start off with his his producing content that’s so valuable that people are streaming to his side platforms.
David Ralph [32:06]
What I like about your Steve Martin phrase, as well. And I want to sort of throw it out to the listeners again. So if you can say it again, for us.
Thai Nguyen [32:17]
be so good, they can’t ignore you.
David Ralph [32:20]
Now, that is ultimately the end aim. But what I want the listeners to understand is at the beginning, nobody’s going to notice you anyway. So you can be as rubbish as you possibly can. And it’s the learning process. And when I went live on April, the 30th, I was thinking, Oh, my God, my friends are going to listen to this. And you want your friends and family to listen to it, because it helps with the downloads, and it builds a profile up. But there was a big part of me thinking, I don’t really want anyone to listen to this, because I’m not very good. Now, I’m 45 episodes into it. Have I Got any better? I don’t know, really. Hopefully, I have hopefully there’s more sort of them linking and there’s more logic, and there’s more profile to the other episodes that I can pull in. But am I any better? myself? Well, I can’t really do anything about that I can only be as good as I possibly can. Now, I’m sure that once I’ve done 1000 shows, I’m going to look back to Episode 45. And think my God, I was rubbish when. And that’s the beauty of it, isn’t it? You You can, you can practice, you can make mistakes, while you are on that journey. Because at the beginning, no one cares, no one’s going to look at you. And you just go out and have fun and try things. And if it doesn’t work, hey, who cares? No, but nobody knows you.
Thai Nguyen [33:42]
Yeah, absolutely. I think we get often very focused on on results. And we we miss out on all the valuable learning lessons that we go through on the journey.
David Ralph [33:54]
Where Where is your journey going to go to because anyone jumping on your website today, entrepreneurs journey.com. And I looked at it quickly, and then I got very interested into it. So I thought, Oh, my God, I should give myself more time before you you sort of came on. So I’m going to go back on to it. Because there are amazing videos aren’t there, there’s video podcasts, with entrepreneurs, big names, unknown names to me, and people that have got a storey to tell. So you’re doing something very similar to what I’m doing. But mine is only audio and you’re doing visual as well. So you know, could could you see the tie when movie when you put all these clips together and create something hugely inspirational. on it.
Thai Nguyen [34:41]
The big goal for me really is is getting this book out. And, and the book is really going to be a lot of collections of the wisdom that I’ve gathered from a lot of these interviews. But it’s funny, you know, the entrepreneur journey is actually turned out to be a great networking tool and a great business caught in a sense for me for the further opportunities, some of the possibilities that have led from it, I’m actually just meeting with a gentleman in Austin, and we’re brainstorming about, about starting some collaborative work together. And under the brand, the utopian lack, but this is all comes through different meetings with people stopping by the website. And so my journey at the moment, definitely the book, that’s a huge dream that I’ve had to become a published author. And again, the through the website, I’ve connected with a publisher that I’m going to send my my proposal to. And again, just going back to that whole idea of the journey that we’ve touched on a lot of things that we typically see, as the end goal has turned out just to be a wonderful journey, this this website, I thought was going to be a major finishing point for me, and it could turn out to be that but the way, plenty of huge doors have opened up and I’m excited about these but potential links and collaborative works that are coming up
David Ralph [36:10]
is unbelievably powerful, isn’t it networking, I spent years being an island, I was a financial trainer. And I would go in create the course do everything myself. And if anyone sort of got involved it diluted it, and I always used to think well just leave it to me, I can do this, you know, it’s better off, no one else touches it. And I was a bit pressures on it, because I knew what to do. And I could just know the angles to create a good training goals. Now I’m doing this Yeah, I realise, you know, networking is is so powerful and influential. And the fact that I’m having these conversations on a daily basis, and hopefully connecting well enough, but when I send an email to tie in two weeks time, I get a response. And I don’t just get those, you know, out into the never and never see it again. That that is one of the things things that people need to do if I if I do want to create a life for themselves, is actually breaking down those barriers and reaching out and asking for help and, and interacting donate.
Thai Nguyen [37:11]
Yeah, that’s that’s been one of the greatest, most encouraging surprises I’ve had is the willingness that people Far, far more successful than you are actually willing to help so much more than you would think. And, and there is so much power, like you said in networking, it’s, it’s been absolutely huge for me.
David Ralph [37:31]
Why do you think they do because I do. I’ve had people help me when, you know, show one show to these people didn’t know me from Adam, I had no background, I had no history, I had no track record, but they were willing to help. And my biggest problem was overcoming the fear of actually asking in the first place. By the time you get to about sort of 10 people asking your sort of thinking, right, I’m going to ask elton john, and I’m going to ask Queen Elizabeth and all those kind of things. And you come almost beat yourself up. Every time you ask, you’re going to get a positive response. And the majority of time she do. So why why do you think these guys so far up the ladder are so willing to help us out as we’re trying to climb up the rungs?
Thai Nguyen [38:16]
You know, I think one of the most common traits shared by successful people is the recognition that the success did not come on their own, that they had also a little bit hope, on the way and again, just being part of this world that we live in, where we’re connected, we’re all connected in, in one way or another and everything that we do, and I think the reason why they’re so willing to help is just reflecting on their own journey and realising how much hope they had on their own journey. And it’s, it’s part of the reason why I’m actually I’m always looking for opportunities to give back because I’ve had just incredible blessings on on my journey that that accompanies Bitly, out of out of nowhere, but it’s, it’s a great thing to be a part of this. This, I guess, a movement of, of giving back. And I think that’s something that we all implicitly have agreed to when when you, I guess when you sign up for a journey of this feeling after your dream and you, you set your fears aside that you you realise the help that you get along the way, and you just naturally have this craving and this desire to give back when opportunities arise.
David Ralph [39:32]
Because I like your strap line on your website making a living living a dream. Yeah. Are you living the dream and making a living? Always Are you at the moment, you know, scrambling around? Are you comfortable at the moment, I love what you’re doing. Because it seems to me when I looked at your website, the fact that you’re actually going to a lot of these people’s places. You know, for anyone who’s out there listening to podcasts and stuff. There’s a chap called Johnny do I’ve mentioned him a few times. And he was the inspiration for this show. He does a daily show, I wanted to do a daily show. He does sort of like prescribed organised questions, and I wanted a more free flowing. But other than that, I’m you know, I’m only here because of john Lee Dumas. And when I saw you interviewing him, it wasn’t over Skype like we’re doing, you’re sitting on the sofa. He’s in his shorts, you’re having a drink, and he’s girlfriend still in bed? And I thought, how did this pan out? And what’s the cost of sort of travelling across the country? Is it okay to do? Do you just say to people, I’m going to turn up and they have to deal with it? How do you do that?
Thai Nguyen [40:42]
Again, it’s just, it’s just taking a shot in the dark and having having the faith and continually being surprised that the willingness that people have to actually invite you into their home. I mean, it was kind of a, I guess, a bold and audacious kind of model chase after but it’s it’s played out, and it’s worked and, and, you know, before I started, I really, I guess came face to face with myself and asked some real questions about what I wanted the rest of my my life to potentially look like if I was going to live until, you know, live and work until I’m 60 or 70 Well, what would I want my life to look at look like and, and I realised this is what I love, I love travelling, I love meeting unique, inspirational, great people. And I just believe that I could create a lifestyle around that and make a living doing that. And and also, I mean it’s it’s still in its baby stages, I completely consider it and it’s baby stages, I’m getting all of the green lights and all of the validation to keep this up on this and and and while I’m not absolutely supported to the extent that I would like to be you know, I, I have complete belief that that’s going to happen. And I’ve gotten enough validation along the way that it will happen to keep this
David Ralph [42:05]
up. Because I quit my my job taking quite a big hit on my salary, basically. So I quit my nine to five, and I had just enough money to cover my bills. And there wasn’t going to be any sort of nights out there wasn’t going to be any sort of takeaways and those kind of sort of expenses. It was just, I could pay the bills, and our life would stay the same without any luxuries. And so when I started this, after about five episodes, I almost thought to myself, I don’t care if I don’t make a living out of this at all. Obviously I do because I’m you know, you got to pay the bills. And so, but the passion and enthusiasm for the task, overcome any desire to create a financial windfall for myself. And that took me by surprise, because everything else I’ve done in my life online and non online has been Show me the money. Show me the money and if you show me the money on going to do the job for you. And once you point your car It sounds like a monkeys just running to you. Okay.
Thai Nguyen [43:14]
Yeah, that was just the door. Are you ever to edit?
David Ralph [43:18]
No, that’s fine. Let’s go with it. It’s late at night. I want to go to bed. So um, yeah, it did sound like a monkey it come screaming into your apartment. But did you find that once you actually created your path, and you started doing your website, VAT, the task became bigger than the financial designer?
Thai Nguyen [43:39]
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I completely resonate with with that, as you’re sharing, you know, just sitting on planes and flying at these different cities and meeting incredible people and sitting at a nice cafe, riding up the the next article, I just like you said, you know, absolutely want the finances to come through. But in terms of is that dream last? Just pitch NASA.
David Ralph [44:04]
When you’re sitting in john Lee Dumas his apartment? No, not him. Actually, let’s go back to the very first interview you did when you’re sitting on a sofa with somebody who you admire. And they’re inspirational. And that’s the reason why you’re in front of them. How did you trick yourself that you could do the interview? How did you shake off that imposter syndrome that we all have? Because it’s all like me doing it by Skype, because I’m not actually looking at you. But when you’re sitting face to face with someone, and it’s the first time you you have ever done it? How did you treat yourself?
Thai Nguyen [44:39]
That’s, that’s a great question. And it’s something Honestly, I still have to try and trick myself before most of them and it’s the first few seconds that I find can be the most crippling. But But I find if I just I always stop and pause and just think through the script that’s running through through my mind. And and you know, I’m big into positive affirmations and and just the words that we have going through our inner dialogue. And so just just pausing, taken a couple of deep breaths and just reminding myself that I’m absolutely more than capable of doing it. But that being said, you know, still facing those doubts still facing that imposter syndrome, almost every interview and in some ways, I think that’s that’s healthy. You know, that’s, that’s just reminding myself that that I’m constantly going to have to be pushing and fighting that I need to keep my guard up. Because I I really don’t want to be in a place where I’m too complacent. So I think it I don’t know, maybe in some ways, it’s it’s good to have that dad, just to remind myself to be on guard.
David Ralph [45:49]
Did you beat yourself up afterwards? When once the interviews finished? And you’re sitting in a cafe on your own having a cup of coffee? Do you are God I should have asked him about and our Oh, that was a good thing? And oh, do you just go to the next it is out there?
Thai Nguyen [46:07]
There have been plenty of times where I said that was that was a terrible, terrible interview. But But I just see it all is a process, David that if I do you think it’s bad. I mean, in a sense, I get challenged to do better the next time. And it’s, it’s the same with some articles that I’ve written, I want to go back and delete some of the articles that I’ve written because I think they’re absolutely terrible. But at the same time, I keep it there as a driving reminder to constantly do better. So I don’t feel like crap about anything that I’ve done. But at the same time, sort of having that element of forgiveness for yourself that hey, you’re on this journey of continual improvement.
David Ralph [46:48]
It is funny really, because when I started this, one of the things I wanted to do was make it seem unprofessional. And I know that’s a strange thing to say. But I’ve been listening to lots of shows, but seemed like they they were like radio shows and all the editing seemed perfect. And the the listing is in the bumpers, which is like the music and stuff that we hear before the shows just seemed like a hybrid between a podcast and a radio show. So I thought well, okay, what I’m going to do, I’m going to go to the website fibre, and I’m going to get some music just written and I’m going to throw it together. And that’s going to look slightly shambolic. But then after maybe 10 episodes, I will change it to a better version. And people can see the progression, people can join up the dots with the show, to see where we’ve come from. So I did this, and I made the music that you heard at the beginning, and there’s one for the intro as well. And it cost me $6 or something like that six pounds. And funnily enough, the music from the guests and the feedback that I’m getting from the listeners, they love it, absolutely love it. And now I don’t think I’m actually going to change it. So it’s quite interesting, but becoming the almost this mistakes that you you make at the time, or the perceived mistakes actually become the streams when you get into the journey.
Unknown Speaker [48:10]
Thai Nguyen [48:13]
That’s really, again, that that’s part of the journey that, yeah, you’re always evolving and growing. And some of these nuances can actually turn out to be your greatest strength.
David Ralph [48:25]
So just bringing it to the end of time, I’ve got a couple of questions that are just sort of buzzing around my head at the moment. Now you live in a holiday location, basically you live in Australia, and you’ve grown up in Vietnam and Indonesia, all the kind of places that I would personally like to go on holiday. So So where do you go when when you want to relax and you want to get away from it? What what’s good for yourself?
Thai Nguyen [48:49]
Oh, you know, currently in in Austin, I’ve just gone on a whirlwind trip around the United States and I’m headed to Hawaii and a couple of weeks or although I haven’t been there yet. I’m actually anticipating Hawaii to be my my vacations but but apart from Hawaii, I absolutely loved living in in Thailand as well along some of those stunning beaches. That would be another spot for me. I believe you spoke to a guest that I’ve got on episode seven commands, he comes to ball he was on your, your website I was looking at.
David Ralph [49:26]
Yeah, now he’s, he’s a great guy. And he ended up in Hawaii himself. He was a chap, if you want to listen to a storey go back to Episode Seven. And he was a champ who really followed his dream. And now he’s really living the dream. He lives in Hawaii. And he’s like paradise every day. He’s an unbelievable journey.
Thai Nguyen [49:46]
Yeah, we’re actually we’re good friends commodity. And I were we’re planning on connecting while we’re in Hawaii. So it’s going to be really neat that two people who have stepped out that tissue, their dreams can reflect and sit on the beach and have a good laugh about, about some of the highs and lows.
David Ralph [50:04]
But you’ve worked for it, you’ve worked for it. So you deserve everything you get.
Thai Nguyen [50:08]
Yeah, that’s that’s one one huge element that it’s going to take a tonne of hard work as well, I tell people that I made you know it, it may look good on the surface. But it’s come with a lot of assistance. And a lot of perspiration also.
David Ralph [50:22]
And I think you know, just before we go into the sermon and the mic, and I’ll send you back in time, I think the the point that we have to make is that with all the journeys that you undertake, being an entrepreneur is hard, being an entrepreneur is hard, doing anything on your own back when it is your passion when it’s your unique self, although you want to do it, and it is a kind of middle ground between a hobby and employment, you actually probably will be doing longer hours than you did when he was an employee. You know, I still I started today at six o’clock this morning is now midnight, he’s gone past midnight, and we’re still going, I would never have done that if I was an employee or I would I would have thrown me cards down and said this is slave labour. But when it’s actually your own desire and your own passion, you do have to put those hours in, don’t you? And then hopefully the rewards the momentum, the networking starts that, you know, help you along in your way. But at the beginning, it’s it’s hard work, isn’t it?
Thai Nguyen [51:24]
Yeah, yeah. And I think the driving force really is even though it is hard. It’s it’s sweat. That’s kind of sweet in a sense that that many times it doesn’t feel like work even though you are sweating, and really putting in the extra hours. It’s it’s a different kind of feeling. I think you’d agree if you compare it to what you were doing before. It’s it’s just an enjoyable kind of work. I could
David Ralph [51:50]
do this every single day. Absolutely having a fantastic conversations with people that are really moving and shaking and zigging and zagging. At the moment in this career that I’m developing. I can’t think of anything better. And I know as you progress, as you were saying, things will come out of the woodwork and opportunities will come out and things that you can’t perceive at the beginning. But I almost don’t want any of that to occur if it does occur to me, because all I want to do is have these conversations. I mean, bring on the next guy because they’re great as well and then bring on the next one. And it is it’s become a kind of drug to me at the moment. I’m not getting much sleep. I feel like death when I’m walking around. But once I’m on the mic, and it goes Wham it is. It’s a drug to me.
Thai Nguyen [52:38]
Yeah, that’s, you know, that’s the message that I’m trying to inspire others as, as I continue on my journey that it really, it’s it’s a feeling like none other.
David Ralph [52:50]
I can think of some pretty good feelings Ty, I’ll be promised. But um, but it’s a family show. So we’re not going to go there.
Thai Nguyen [53:00]
Yeah, well, it’s up there with with, with all the rest
David Ralph [53:03]
with all the things I don’t know what I’m talking about. And then, and the kids know about Fiverr?
Thai Nguyen [53:10]
Yeah, yeah, no, leave it at this point
David Ralph [53:14]
when they will either. But what I am going to do, though, I this is a part of the show that I like to call the Sermon on the mic. And this is the part when actually I send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And you can choose whatever age of younger self you want to speak to. But what kind of words of wisdom would you give, if you could go back in time, and have a quick chat with the young Ty, so this is a seminar on the mic. And when the music finishes, I’m going to step away, and you’re on the mic.
Unknown Speaker [53:49]
We go with
Unknown Speaker [53:52]
Thai Nguyen [54:08]
Alright, well, this is this is certainly very interesting to come face to face with the younger Ty, if I could go back in time, I probably have probably gonna meet myself at that the age of maybe 14 or 15, when I was in high school, I’d take time out to be two incredibly expensive restaurant to make a point that money comes in, and money goes into that. And I would sit down and just indulgent and I’d say, Ty, you just need to, you need to let go a little more, and just be a little bolder, and, and a little more, maybe not not courageous, because I always think that that I was had a sense of courage, but the boldness in it stepping out and just being more confident in your ability and your potential and, and give yourself perhaps a little more credit than then you do when I think of myself at at 15 hours, definitely very, very shy and very, very timid and in many ways trying to trying to find myself and so on that path of trying to find yourself I just say, have a tonne more laughs make, make a tonne more mistakes and stop taking yourself. So seriously. And those those mistakes will actually turn out to teach you valuable lessons. And, and those those failures will will also be crucial lessons in informing who you are. And so I doubled your amount of mistakes and double your amount of failures. And just don’t be afraid to step out and do something wild. And everyone really just think about your your mortality. And that’s a funny thing to consider. But I think the sooner you come face to face with the fact that you are going to die that your time here is is really short, then that’s going to be something that’s going to drive you to step out even more so. So think about that. Think about if you were to die to pass away, would you be happy with what you’ve done in life and, and I know there are plenty of things that that you want to achieve that you want to accomplish. And so think about the brevity of life and use that as a motivating factor for driving you towards do what you want to do. But that would be the end of the seminar. The mic,
David Ralph [56:49]
not just young Ty should be listening to those but all our listeners as well. I was sitting reflecting on Bose. And certainly I think it has a resonance to all of us. Tie been absolutely wonderful having you on the show today. I hopefully you’ve enjoyed it as much as I’ve enjoyed chatting to you. How can people connect with you who listen to the programme today?
Thai Nguyen [57:11]
Thank you, David for this opportunity. It’s been great fun, just chat with you. But yeah, the viewers can connect with me on the entrepreneur journey. So entrepreneur journey.com is one website that I put a lot of energy into, but by the time this goes live, they should be checking out the utopian life.com that is a site that I’m setting out with my partner Brian Brandon Epstein. So check that out the utopian life.com and watch a parent journey calm.
David Ralph [57:43]
Well, you’ve been absolutely amazing guests. I wish you all the best and successful or your future ventures. You’ve been so open and generous and of course, talkative, which always makes it easy for me. And as I say to all the guests, please come back in the future when you’ve got more dots to share with us because the beauty of all our lives is those dots keep on moving forward. And I believe that but joining up her dots and connecting our past we have the best opportunities to build our future. Tywyn, thank you so much.
Thai Nguyen [58:12]
Thank you so much, David. Appreciate it.
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