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Introducing Tim Paige
Todays guest, joining us on the Join Up Dots Podcast interview is Mr Tim Paige, a man who is really getting out there and making a difference to the world.
And if you are a podcaster , or consumer of online content then you will have heard this mans work without knowing the name most probably.
He has loose lips that were born to communicate, and golden tones made for inspirational comment.
And that is why Tim Paige is the voice that introduces so many of the shows out there at the moment.
But that is not all he does well, as it seems to me that Tim was born to be an entrepreneur, and inspirational force to many, as well as….your going to find out during the show.
So lets listen to the wisdom, and experience of a man who has been through the corporate route, and is now living firmly on his own terms.
He is a husband, father, grower of an amazing beard (which I will have to discuss) and the co-host of Love Your Leap with the legend that is John Lee Dumas.
Well let’s bring onto the show to start joining up dots, as we discuss the words of Steve Jobs with the one and only golden voice over man himself…..Mr Tim Paige!
During the show we discussed such weighty topics such as:
How he would climb up the career ladder as quickly as he could, just to then jump onto another one!
How he has always tried to be the best that he could be in everything he does!
How he suffered huge anxiety attacks at work, which helped him decide his future route!
How he has an amazing wife who supports him and encourages him every step of the way!
How he has some odds things and characteristics that he shares with us on the show…and it isn’t having six nipples!
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Audio Transcription Of Tim Paige Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK, David, Ralph
David Ralph [0:26]
Lobo, everybody out there in internet land, how are you? I hope you’re fine. Episode 51, if you’re listening to it live is 18th of June 2014. And if you’re listening at any other time, why didn’t you listen? Let me know where you are. And I will come and do it live. But you wherever you are. I’m a I’m a bit on edge today. I have to be honest, because I have got a man on who’s listening to me at the moment. And he’s probably got a notebook. And he’s he’s making notes about my performance, because he has inspired me in many ways to get behind the mic. And he’s one of those voices that when you hear him start talking, you think, yes, he was born for this. And he is a man who’s really getting out there and making a difference to the world. And if you are a podcaster, or just a consumer of online content, then you would have heard this man’s work without knowing the name most probably he has loose lips that were born to communicate in Golden tones made by inspirational comment, I can say that better. And that is why he is the voice that introduces so many of the shows out there at the moment. But that’s not all he does well as it seems to me that he was born to be an entrepreneur and inspirational force too many as well as you’re going to find out you’re in a show. So let’s listen to the wisdom and experience of a man who’s been through the corporate route. And he’s now living firmly on his own terms. He’s a husband, a father, grow out of an amazing beard which I will have to discuss, and the co host of love your leap with the legend on the mic night is john Lee Dumas So now is the time to start Join Up Dots with the one and only golden voice over man himself. Mr. Tim page. How are you today, Tim? Well, I’m doing real good, David. I’m doing real good. Do you know I should have that as my as my wake up call every morning?
Tim Paige [2:12]
Oh, yeah, I you just you know, you said such flattering things. I had to I had to come on and do something weird. I don’t know
David Ralph [2:19]
what to say. It’s talking about we’re just before we started recording, I was livid. I’m listening to love your leap. And you you went a bit mad on it. No one’s listened to love your leap and I’m going to talk about it later on because he is actually one of my favourite shows. And he’s had a lot to do with me getting to this point now. But I was listening to Episode 28 of it was how to control the world if your mind and you and the aforementioned Mr. Lee Dumas we’re doing your weird is laughs and what? What? Oh, you can do it better. Me you, you prime Scooby Doo character. Yo, that’s right. Do you feel when you’re on the mic? like I do, but actually, no one’s ever gonna listen to it?
Tim Paige [3:08]
Um, no, no, I think if I thought that I would go, I would do some things that nobody would ever want me to do. I, I’m an interesting kind of person. And I have very, very interesting quirks. And so I have to keep them back. Sometimes these these interesting quirks.
David Ralph [3:29]
What’s an interesting Quirk? You’re lucky because no one listens to this show. It’s just you meet him? I don’t think so. David, I don’t think so. I don’t know. I’m just, I’m why I’m a little wild. And I like to get really, really loud. And I’m passionate. And sometimes I’m passionate about things that nobody gives a crap about. And so um, yeah, I used to have this show with my best friend, which we decided to stop for numerous reasons. But we, we talked about movies, and because we’re both big movie nerds. And and yeah, we It was so free form that things ended up getting getting sad and getting told that you’re kind of like, Hmm, I don’t know if I should say that to the public. And there was no day reset falling in line, isn’t it because I am a man who basically opens his mouth and whatever comes out comes out. And I’m very aware. As I say, I tried to make it as conversational as possible. But I’m very aware of that. Ultimately, you don’t know who’s listening to it. And it could be a family in a car driving along somewhere. And suddenly, some weird content gets issued, and the little kids are going, Mommy, what are they talking about there?
Tim Paige [4:44]
Yeah, that’s exactly right. And I have a six month old boy. Well, right now he’s probably almost eight months. But yeah, he’s, I, I’m a musician as well. And I wrote, I wrote a cover of a couple of older rap songs and the content of those rap songs I wouldn’t really want my son hearing for quite a long time. And so I had to change a lot of the words that couple of the words that started with f5 changed them to hug because it sounds similar to the word that starts with and ended up making the song It sounds really goofy. Now it kind of sounds like, like a couple of siblings that are that are like having a World Wrestling Federation match or something. And then you know, they decide to hug and makeup. I don’t know, it’s kind of weird.
David Ralph [5:28]
So so getting on to your voice as I say in the introduction, you have got a voice which you are using to maximum effect and the moment is it your natural boys? Or have you trained it over a period of time because I’ve had a couple of conversations with people who are on the mic. First one was Cynthia Sanchez, or was Episode 14. And Ben Chris around and we were we were all saying how you actually have to once you on the mic, almost be like a human graphic equaliser and raise certain parts of your character up and lower other bits. Because being a normal voice just wouldn’t work on the mic. But are you close to what you are normally when you’re in the kitchen making a cup of tea, or you kind of podcast voice, man.
Tim Paige [6:11]
It’s funny I am now. And it the reason that I kind of developed the voice that I have now wasn’t actually because of podcasts. It was probably, oh 11 years ago there there was a guy named Chet homes late great Chet homes. Are you familiar with him? No, no. I, you know, I shouldn’t ever ask people. Are you familiar with him? Because then it’s an awkward answer, you know? No, so it this is an awkward, but Chet Holmes is a really famous sales kind of coach and motivator. And I was hired to work for Chet homes as one of his salesman. So you can imagine the daunting task that that is, but he did a whole lot of studies about what got people to feel comfortable and feel open enough to buy. And one of the things that he found was that a lower interest nation is actually more comforting and gets people to buy, whether it’s b2b or b2c. And so and I, at the, at the time, kind of always talked like this, you know, it was kind of just a natural kind of I would speak really highly now, it’s really hard to talk like that. But that’s how I normally talked. And it’s really off putting in sales, and probably with getting girls and stuff like that, too. I have no idea. But but so I guess I started to develop that voice to kind of appease Chet homes. And it just happens to work with podcasting, for whatever reason, but I appreciate all the compliments. And I do hear a lot that that I’ve got a great voice for it. And to me, it’s still just kind of sounds like my voice. But it’s great to hear that.
David Ralph [7:43]
Because I get told I’ve got a great face for radio. We’ve.
Tim Paige [7:47]
I’ve been told that too. Yeah. Which isn’t quite
David Ralph [7:49]
as positive. But you, as I was saying, You are an introduction, man. That’s one of the things you are a creator, or you work for a company called lead pages, which I’ll be honest, I’m not 100% sure what that is all about. So I’m going to sort of touch on that. But you are a man who made a leap of faith. And if you go back to your corporate ladder, how far up the corporate ladder Did you get before you started to have those those urges, but there must be something more to life than you were getting at that time.
Tim Paige [8:23]
Yeah, I think in most cases, I climbed really far up the ladder and then decided to jump off and climb up a different ladder. I managed a, a 200. And I think it was 86 person Call Centre for 18 t who was then Cingular wireless. And, and that was a lot of fun. You know, I was really young when I did that. I think it was 21. And I was really enjoying that. But I you know, I was in the band. And I was trying to make that whole career work. And so I left that and, you know, basically worked for a lot of different places did some multi level marketing did, you know whole bunch of stuff, but I think the one that you’re probably referring to is the vacuum sales business
David Ralph [9:04]
one he sounded like he sucked, but maybe didn’t.
Tim Paige [9:08]
Yeah, at first, it didn’t suck. At first. It was like, you know, my first paycheck was like, $900 for a week, which I was blown away by at the time. I mean, that was the most money I ever made in a week. And then the next week was like 1800 dollars. And then the following week was like 20 $400. And I didn’t know what to do with myself, I was making so much money and having so much fun with this new job. But it came to a point. And I don’t know if I’m prematurely telling the storey here. But it got to a point where I started realising that the only thing that I put a priority on was this job in this paycheck, because I was working 16 hour days or 18 hour days, six days a week or seven days a week. And at the time, I was engaged to my now wife. And we had a future plan. I mean, we want five kids.
David Ralph [10:01]
David, five kids. I’ve got five kids.
Unknown Speaker [10:03]
Oh, that is awesome. Awesome.
Tim Paige [10:06]
Wow, I love that. Yeah, so we just want that big fan. I mean, I’m from a big family. I’ve got a bajillion cousins, and my dad’s got, I think 10 brothers and sisters, my mom’s got 11. So the big family thing was what I was all about. But how am I going to do that if I’m working 16 hour days, six or seven days a week and and I got to a point, not only with the time, but I realised that my wife who, you know, I didn’t have a kid yet. So my wife was my number one single most important priority that the person and the thing that was the most important to me in my entire life, I was coming home from work sometimes 1011 at night, after being gone since seven or eight in the morning. And, and she’d be home, you know, on the couch, she had, you know, done her job or done whatever she was doing for the day. And I’d sit down with her and she would tell me her storeys from her day, and you know, all the things that had been happening, and I just wasn’t there. I mean, I was hearing her but I wasn’t listening. And I wanted to focus, but I was so exhausted, and so miserable from doing something that I wasn’t passionate about. And, and something that, you know, I kind of questioned if it really provided any value at all to the world. And I realised that I just was becoming a different human being. And I’ve spent years and years and years and years trying to become as good of a person as I can, and, you know, to try to focus my efforts on others instead of myself and that had really had paid off up until that point, and I started to change and kind of morph into this weird, you know, almost shell of a person. And it wasn’t that I loved money more than anything, it was just that I was kind of stuck in that cycle and couldn’t get out of it.
David Ralph [11:45]
You know? Well, what made you change, because I’ve been there what you’re talking about now, I have been there big time. And I couldn’t get out of it. And it wasn’t that I’m a money lover, because I’m not I like to pay bills. And I like to you know, have no debts and all that kind of stuff. But actually, I’m very simple. And I’m very sort of minimal in my requirements. But when I was in the corporate land, working my way up the ladder, it wasn’t so much the money. It wasn’t so much depressed deed. It was actually I think what I believe other people expected of me. And I was doing it for my parents to be proud, my kids to be proud, my wife to be proud. And I used to come home and I was I was doing a job. And I used to have to get there at four in the morning. And so I’d leave work at home four in the morning to be there at six. And we had to be there ready for London to start open. And it was like a stock broking kind of place. And then I would follow suit until about 12 o’clock to New York started. And then it went to Chicago event San Diego and Ben, I could leave home and I was getting home about half past 11 at night, folding into bed, eat a bag of chips as I was walking home. And my life is falling to pieces. I was looking terrible. I was getting sort of psoriasis all over all over my face, just through the pressure and the stress. But I still couldn’t say goodbye to it. And it wasn’t until they made me redundant. I actually walked out and it was such a relief that I could see maybe there was a better path. But you sound like you were making that decision internally, it wasn’t that it was being forced on you. So why were you different? It’s a long question that but why were you different at that point when other people who probably were going, Show me the money, Show me the money. And To hell with the consequences.
Tim Paige [13:45]
Here, I don’t know that I was that much different than, than anybody. I mean, for me, when I was when I was there, there was an element of kind of wanting to impress other people. If I’m really really personally, you know, kind of digging in. And I don’t think I’ve ever talked about this before, but I think that there’s a big part of me, that loves being the best at whatever it is like I love being somebody’s best friend, I love being the most important person in somebody’s life, I love being the best at a business. And and I love to work I love business business just fills me up. So even working for somebody else or my own business, it doesn’t matter, business fills me up, I get really excited. And, and the thing was at the vacuum sales company, I was the best. And it’s it’s not kind of an arrogant statement. I mean, I really truly was the best. I outsold everybody, I, I was the first person in the company to ever open an office within the main headquarters office. And, you know, I, I just I was really successful. And that was part of it was I was loving the fact that I was the best in that, you know, when it came down to things there was kind of there were kind of the owners, and then there was me. And that was probably a big part of it. But what had changed for me, I think I can tie it down to one particular moment. That that said to me, it’s time to go. I mean, I there were there were moments leading up to this. Like, for example, I was watching TV one day, and I was thinking about the fact that, you know, I was so I had to be doing what I was doing in order to keep making that kind of money. I had to work these long days to do it. And so one day I was watching the TV show and they were I think they were talking about investing they said the words passive income. And I was like, What in the world is passive income that doesn’t exist. And so I googled it, like all, you know, good TV watchers do. And I googled passive income and Pat Flynn site came up as most people would expect smart, passive income calm. And, and I read through the site, and I was like, This is insane. People are doing this people are making I think he was making like 30 grand a month or something at the time. And, and people are making all this money online. And, and you know, they set up these websites, and they can go on vacation for a month and make all this money like this is this is crazy, like I should learn to do this. And, you know, I found at that point, you know, Entrepreneur on Fire wasn’t a show. So I spoke to you know, I met a bunch of friends that were doing things and, you know, got introduced to a bunch of people and started connecting there. And that was kind of the beginning to me leaving. I mean, there was that, that dissatisfaction that unhappiness that that, you know, kind of thing that was missing for a long time. But that was the first kind of catalyst I guess. And then the big thing, the thing that that said, Tim, you’re leaving, like you’re you’re going to find something else you’re going to make something else work was my I was doing a podcast interview, I had started my first podcast, which was called the awesome podcast. And if that couldn’t be any more vague.
I was interviewing a lady by the name of Paula pants, she has a website called afford anything calm, and it’s a great website. And I was interviewing her and we were just coming to an end. And so I was you know, we were saying I was saying thanks so much. It was great to talk to you. And you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and my wife hears this through the door and comes in. And I take my headphones off and turn around to see why she had come, you know busting in and she’s got tears streaming down her face. And I’m like, oh god, what happened, you know, once, what could this possibly be. And she just kind of walks up to me and stands in front of me with with red face and tears streaming down her face. And she reaches up and she’s got something in her hand. And she kind of like, waves at me like Here, take this. And I take it and I look at it. And it’s a pregnancy test. And it says that she’s pregnant. And we had been trying for four months, which is not obviously a long time. But you know, basically, since we got married, we were trying. And, and I was like, you know, I was so ecstatic. You know, of course, I hugged her and we freaked out and all of that. And I was just like, Man, I’ve got I’m going to have this kid. And, and I know how involved with my life that my family has been, you know, my dad and my mom are great. And, and I know the statistics on having your parents in your life and your father is one of those statistics that I’ve heard a lot of things about. And I’ve had a lot of friends that didn’t have dads in their life. And not like I was going to go away but being gone 16 hours a day is really, it’s it’s darn hard to be a good dad and a good family member. And I give kudos to anybody who’s doing that because I know there’s a lot of people out there, and I’m not shaming you. But for me, it was like, I’m not going to be that like I’m going to be around for my kid, I’m going to see him roll over for the first time, which I saw last month, it was awesome. And you know, I’m going to hear his first words, and I’m going to be at every baseball game and soccer game and football game, whatever he’s going to do, I’m going to be there, I’m going to be in the other room, if my wife says, Hey, honey, you’ve got to see this, and I’m going to be able to get up and run around the corner and go see what’s up. And I can’t do that if I’m vacuum sales, I can’t do that if I’m, you know, two hours away knocking on doors in some neighbourhood. And, and I can’t do that if I’m sitting at an office trying to run that either. And so my thing was, and you can hear me getting a little heated. But my thing was that I wanted to be there. And I believe, I truly honestly believe and there are people that disagree with me, and that’s okay. But I truly honestly believe that you can do anything you want and get anything you want. And I guess I’ll say within reason, but I’m going to not even say within reason. I mean, you know, I can’t go be an astronaut right now. Okay, I get that but, but pretty much 99% of the time, you can do anything you want. And I wanted to be home with my family, I wanted to be able to provide for them. And I didn’t want to stress about money. That’s those were kind of my, my things. Those are what I wanted. And it was from that point, it was, I think six months to where I left a job where I was making high high six figures a year. And I, you know, built some businesses where I could work from home. And I wasn’t making high six figures. When I built those businesses, I was making really just enough to get by. But I was never happier in my life to that point than I was when I left that job. And I came home. And I spent every day in the same living situation the same quarters as my wife. That was when I was truly happy. And then my baby came and you know, it’s every day since then it’s really justified that decision and things have gone up and up and up. And I’m in the best situation I’ve ever been in my life. And I would never be there. If I hadn’t had that kind of moment where I was like, Nope, I’m done. I’m not going to do this anymore.
David Ralph [21:03]
I love that storey Tim, I wanted to jump in. But I didn’t I just I save it that I was always bathing in those words, cleansing myself. So you really did to use a phrase love your leap when when you quit. You must have had like all of us. I’ve gone through there when I quit my corporate job and I’m now doing this. But have those internal dialogues, those fear that that’s conversations inside your head when you’re thinking? No six speakers at six figures? How did you overcome that? How did you become who you are now?
Tim Paige [21:39]
Well, let me I’ll tell you two things, I’ll tell you kind of what I went through because I just gave you the rosy storey. But there’s there’s a darker side. And then I mean, that was all true. Don’t I made that sound like I was just making that off that that was all true. But but in the time that I made that decision, my when I found out my wife was pregnant, and we were kind of ready for the next phase and and I kind of internally decided that I was going to leave. And we kind of went through a lot of life changes at all at once. So she got pregnant, our lease was coming to an end. And we had already decided long ago that we were going to be moving about an hour away, which is not a big giant move. But it involved a lot of specially with at that point it was going to be a mid pregnancy wife and a whole lot of stuff in her apartment. And so we kind of were at that point. And we had a couple of deaths in the family. And a lot of things kind of happened all at once. And I had told her that that I wanted to leave, I said you know, honey, I want to leave. And I was scared to tell her this because we were making so much money and kind of I was I didn’t want her to fear for our future. And so I had a lot of fear and anxiety around telling her and I when I hold her, she just about jumped for joy. I mean, she was so ecstatic. She’s like, honey, I have wanted you to do this for so long. Now she goes, I don’t care about the money, I don’t care about any of this, you will figure it out, I have full faith in you that you’re going to figure this out, and you’re going to take care of it. So that was huge. But once I got into starting the podcast, and I got into these online businesses and I, I grew a bunch of businesses to a whole big whopping failure, just like most people do, I think just like everybody does. But you know, I had all these failures. And, and I was scared and I had set a date for when I was going to leave you remember that. I don’t remember the date off the top of my head. But it was it was it was shortly before summer. And excuse me, and, and so I had I’d made that decision. And I went through a lot. I mean, when we’re doing the moving and the deaths and the baby on the way and me leaving this job that I’d been doing for years and years that I’ve been successful at, I was extremely afraid. And I am one of the most laid back difficult to upset difficult to embarrass people in the world. It’s just extremely hard, I don’t get anxious, I don’t freak out. It just doesn’t happen. I get really passionate excited, but I don’t swing the other way. And, and at this point in my life, I started to get these weird.
I don’t know how to describe them. They were like, it was almost like dizzy spells, were for maybe 20 minutes, maybe five minutes, maybe an hour, the things I would get a little bit of tunnel vision and things would be a little wonky. And I would feel really weird. And I kind of get these cold sweats and, and I had no idea what this was, I couldn’t understand what was happening to me. I thought that I thought maybe because I you know, I used to drink a ridiculous amount of soda and energy drinks when I was in the band because that was all we had. And so I thought maybe I had, you know, screwed up and got high blood pressure or high blood sugar or something. And I went to the doctor and he said there’s nothing wrong. And it turns out that I was having anxiety attacks. So all my entire life, I’ve never had these, I’ve never had even a mild case of anxiety. And I started getting these anxiety attacks. And I started to wonder, man, am I making the right choice? Like, have I screwed up? Is this going to wreck my family’s future? Am I going to, you know, is my son not going to be able to eat? I mean, are we going to have to you know, I started panicking, I panicked bad. And it lasted months, I was having these anxiety attacks multiple times a day. And I probably gave myself and also I started having stomach pains and all these things. And I’m describing this for one reason. And one reason only because the person listening to this show, may be feeling this right now. And I want you to know that I felt this as well. And I want you to know that you’re not alone. And and so I went through all of this and things were really really rough. It was probably the hardest, hardest time in my life. That was right before the best time of my life. Isn’t that funny? And and I’ll tell you how I got through it. Because that was really what your question is, how do you get through it? And and I got through it with the support of my wife. That’s that’s the number one answer. Because at the end of the day without her saying, honey, you can do this, like I believe in you. We’ll figure it out. We’ll get through it. Like, I don’t want you going back to that I don’t care about the money. I don’t care about all of that stuff. Like I don’t care. I want my husband back. I want you around I want you in my life. I want you to be in our son’s life. Like I it was not in a naggy way, it was in the most supportive, incredible way, like sit like I want to cry because I think about how it could have easily gone the other way. And I think of how many people that I’ve met in my life, who their wives were the other way. Their wives were like, No, you can make it work, oh, quit being a baby, go work and go make that money. But my wife was so supportive and loves me so much that she was like, No, you have to do this, like, if you’ll make it through, we’ll find a way to make it through. And her support got me to continue on the path that I was on, and got me to the point where I am now. And I keep saying the point where I am now because again, I want that person who’s listening who’s going through all this stuff to know that like, there’s a point where you go through all of this really difficult stuff, I mean, really difficult stuff. And then all the sudden you like get to the end of that tunnel, there’s that you know, the light at the end of the tunnel thing and you get there. And it’s like the brightest light you’ve ever seen. And suddenly, you have all of this amazing opportunity in front of you. And people like now I can’t believe the opportunities that come my way because of that sacrifice because of the change that that I made. Because of my willingness to go through that hardship so that I could get to the other to the other end. I mean, people offer me things and asked me to do things that would blow your mind. They blow my mind every day.
David Ralph [28:12]
I have huge resonance with literally everything he was saying about and all the way through again, I want you to jump in. Oh, I can tell you about this, I can tell you about that. So you’re not alone, you are absolutely not alone. The thing about the anxiety, I actually had a heart attack, I thought it was a heart attack at work. And it turned out to be stress and city stuff. And I actually was at work doing like i was i was a trainer and I was doing a training course. And bang, I had this heart attack. And I carried on working, which was mad I look back on it now. And I think what the hell was I doing? I should have stopped the course and say, Excuse me, I think I’m gonna die. This is a heart attack, please. But I didn’t. I carried on doing my training calls. And I knew the content so well in my head. But it was just coming out one mouth while my brain was actually going, my God, what’s the symptoms of a heart attack? Is it is it fuzzy and fuzzy leg and I was sort of going through that. And this is the weirdest bit a third part of me. And it’s the only time I’ve ever had a kind of outer body experience. A third part of me almost was listening to me going, this is amazing. You’re thinking about your heart attack. And you’re also doing that training course, isn’t this brilliant. And it was like my personality had split into three. Now back was purely down to stress. And I look back on it now. And I think thank God, that happened to me because I was on a journey. But I couldn’t see. But there was still a big part of this as opposed to manly side. But I kind of went, why is this occurring to me? Why is this occurring? When I was younger, I worked all these long hours up in a city and I could deal with it. And I could do this. And I could do that. And it wasn’t until I sat down and what I’m telling a storey because there might be somebody out there as well, that will resonate with this. And you feel weak and you feel like you’re you should be stronger. And you should be whatever. The reason why I suddenly had all those was, it wasn’t just me, I was a family man. I had responsibilities. And I was going to work trying to get my work done so that I could get home to take my son to scout event the scouts was being overshadowed by something my wife was doing. And I was just trying to spread myself too far. And I look back on it now. And I go, yes, that was a wake up call for me. And I’ve never been that way since. And now it’s all about me, keeping control, trying to do as good job as possible, providing value to the world. And ultimately looking after myself. Because Hey, if you don’t look after yourself, you ain’t got anything heavier.
Tim Paige [30:41]
Yeah, charity begins at home. That’s, um, that’s something that that’s kind of I heard a long time ago that at first I was kind of like, that sounds kind of selfish. But at the end of the day, it’s true. I mean, you can’t help others if your situation is a mess. I mean, you know, there are people that have sacrificed themselves to make it happen. And those are some of the most things credible people in the world. But I mean, at the end of the day, I can’t take care of my family. If If I’m you know, sitting on the couch at the end of the day and not even be able to being able to listen to my wife because I’m so exhausted or so miserable. Yeah, I agree. And it’s not selfish because I man, just like you I was constantly thinking about my family and how it was going to take care of them and how is going to support them and it’s it’s amazing that you know, we have we do David we have really similar storeys. I, when you mentioned the heart attack at work, I had my first anxiety attack when I was in a customer’s house presenting a vacuum to them. And I didn’t know that it was happening. I thought maybe I just hadn’t eaten or I was feeling funny. And, and at one point, this was so odd. I didn’t even realise I had stopped talking. I was sitting in front of the customer kneeling on their floor with, you know, like a presentation book in front of me and and I remember, I remember them going, are you okay? And I was like, Yeah, I’m fine. why they’re like, you haven’t said a word for like, 60 seconds. You’re just looking like looking ahead into nothing. And it’s like, well, I’m sorry about that. I I’m feeling a little funny. I’m really sorry about that. They’re like, you better drink some water like it? No, I’m okay. The like, no, you’re like, covered in sweat. And yeah, I just, I’ll never forget that day, it was the scariest thing that I’ve ever encountered. And I just like you, I kept working and I’m like, I’m just I’ll just make it through it and keep working. And it kept happening. And I was in like four houses that day. And it kept happening in every house and came home and told my wife and yeah, that’s I don’t know if that storey was that all that valuable to anybody. But I mean, I really, you’re right there is like that macho, I’ve got to do this, I’ve got to take care of my family I’ve got I’ve got a responsibility to do this. And, and it does really kick in. And I’m sure it kicks in for women too, I’m sure but as as as a man and as kind of the sole income provider for our house. I was I was just I felt like I had to do it and you don’t have do it. You can you can make it work, especially now me David, how many opportunities are there online or even offline, but I mean, I’m, I’m so passionate about the online thing. It’s like, the opportunities are unbelievable, people will pay you to do just about anything, what my point proven, just to prove that people will do this, go to fibre, fi ve RR com, and just look around. And you’ll see people that are making not a tonne of money, but thousands of dollars for doing some of the dumbest crap that you’ve ever seen in your life, you’ll see them doing some really valuable things too, but some of the dumbest crap. And I mean, I know people that have made 50 $60,000 on Fiverr getting paid $5 to do some tasks. Well,
David Ralph [33:45]
he’s He’s incredible Fiverr because if I press this button here,
Unknown Speaker [33:51]
welcome to join and
David Ralph [33:53]
Fiverr that came straight from Fiverr. And that cost me three pounds 62 or something. And it was an intro, but I thought I just had done because you do incredible intros to your podcast, and that their works of art. But I deliberately went away from everything that I’ve been hearing, because a lot of them were a hybrid between radio shows, and podcasts, and so on myself, I’m going to go with something because the mantra of Join Up Dots is that we don’t know the journey. But there is a journey. And we’re all on that and we’re going to make stumbles, we’re going to make fools. And I wanted people to hear the very first episode of the podcast, have me not sounding particularly good having a theme tune which by you could go out and get very cheaply. And I wanted them to hear it as I kind of realised first start, and then move along, move along, you get to Episode 50 5100. And they can see that they’ve joined up dots with me, and that was the whole theory on that. But I love those intros now, and I keep getting people saying, oh, you’re ruining my life. All I’m doing at work is singing Welcome to Join Up Dots. Um, so I don’t think I want to change him, although, who knows who knows in the future, because that’s what Join Up Dots is making decisions. And while we’re talking about Join Up Dots, the thing that I want to emphasise at a time is that the whole theme of the show is based around Steve Jobs, iconic speech. And it would be wrong if I don’t play at the moment, because if anyone really highlights the words that this chap said, back in 2005, I think he missed the Tim page. So I’m going to play bass, and then I’m just going to ask what your feelings are about the words of Steve Jobs.
Steve Jobs [35:35]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [36:10]
It’s made all the difference to you as an IT team that that trust that belief that support from your wife
Tim Paige [36:16]
100%. Yeah, absolutely. And that’s the thing. I mean,
I think that we all, we all think from time to time, if I knew then what I know, now I would have done things differently. But at the end of the day, if we did things differently, we wouldn’t have gotten to the point that we’re at now. Right? I mean, if I had never, who knows, who knows, if I had never developed those incredible sales skills that I learned from selling vacuums door to door, I mean, tell me that’s not a difficult sell a stranger walking down the street, knocking on a door, asking them to let you are asking the person to let them into their home, then asking them to pay $3,000 for a vacuum. Now that’s a hard sell. And so if you can learn to do that, well you can become you can sell anything. I mean, if you can sell that you can sell things that have high value, right. And so I keep I always think like God, I probably would have started an internet business 10 years ago, but I might have never developed the skills that I needed. 10 years ago, I might have never developed the passion that I needed, I might have never felt the pain that I needed to go on when times get tough because you better believe in the last year, year and a half however the heck long it’s been since I left it feels like you know forever. But there have been hard times, there have been really hard times. I mean, being an entrepreneur, there are times when you don’t make any money. And those are hard times when you’ve got a family and and sometimes I think if you don’t go through the pain, you’ll never make make it through those hard times. Because you go off, forget it, I’m going to go get a job, I’ll never have to deal with this because I’ll get a steady paycheck. But at the end of the day, I would take those hard months where you don’t make any money, and be able to be with my family over making six figures a year and never seeing my family. I would take that all day, any day every day.
David Ralph [38:21]
It’s a strange thing with being an entrepreneur, I never considered myself to be an entrepreneur, but now I’m having conversations on a daily basis with people that I would go there and entrepreneur is quite obvious, but I’m starting to sort of morph into into characteristics that they had, or by God and one of those things and I, I praise this this, it just came out the top of my head one day, and the chap I was speaking to episode nine, Nick Lewis said, that’s exactly what it is. That’s exactly. You’ve got to develop your hustle muscle. And he was saying just as you would go into a gym and you would work on your arms to build them up. Once you start hustling, and you start running, making Connexions and getting over that fear factor up. That person’s going to say no to me. There’s there’s not that much that you can’t do in an online world. Yes, you’ve got to play to your passions. Yes, you’ve got to play to your talents. Yes, you’ve got to do something which, you know, you can do every single day without smashing your head into the desk. But the options are there for you. As long as you get your hustle muscle going.
Tim Paige [39:24]
Yeah, absolutely. I agree. It’s been part of what’s allowed me and what’s allowed. Basically, every successful person I know to get to where they are. I mean, if you talk to Gary van der Chuck, you’ll hear him say that the only reason that he’s as successful as he is, is because of his hustle muscle. He developed the skills later, but he didn’t have him in the beginning. He just learned to hustle. And you if you talk to Mark Cuban, probably one of my favourite entrepreneurs of all time, he’ll tell you the same thing. He just hustled, he hustled his face off, the guy is all always hustling and now it’s like second nature. He can’t even he doesn’t even think about it. He’s just always working. Which is, which is great. And here’s something David, can I share something a little bit? A little bit odd that might make people think a little bit weird of me? I love odd. Okay, let’s share some odd.
David Ralph [40:19]
It is obviously something physically That’s odd. Can we guess?
Tim Paige [40:24]
I don’t think it’s anything physically done that I have nipples. No, no, just to just to make a half.
Yeah, I, I don’t know. I’ve gotten I’ve gotten in this argument with several people now because this is something I’ve been truly thinking about a lot over the last six months. And I gotten a little argument with Clay Collins who is the one of the co founders and the CEO of lead pages, the company I work for. And, you know, I said, I said to him one day, so you know, it’s funny, I’m I’m being interviewed on a lot of entrepreneurial podcasts. And, you know, yes, I have my voiceover business. And what I do at lead pages is very entrepreneurial. But, but I don’t, I don’t know if I think I’m an entrepreneur. And I said that to him. And he was like, Tim, you are an entrepreneur, he’s like you, you, you know, you run this aspect of this business. And you really run an aspect that you’ve kind of started from nothing, and you’ve had help from the team, but you really are an entrepreneur. And, you know, we’ve had that discussion, I had this discussion with john Lee Dumas, who’s you know, obviously a good friend of mine and, and a bunch of other people. And it’s, it’s hard because this is really I mean, people always try to define what an entrepreneur is, like, if you talk to the guys from secret entourage, they’ll tell you that an entrepreneur is somebody who, who create something new. That is, you know, value and then they scale it and then they create something new, or something along those lines, that’s kind of their mantra, that’s an entrepreneur, like if you’re, if you’re a business owner, that doesn’t make you an entrepreneur, and, and other people will tell you, you’re an entrepreneur, if you if you are if you have some kind of a side hustle, you’re an entrepreneur, or if you if you work hard at your job, and you’re constantly trying to innovate at your job, you’re an entrepreneur, and I guess maybe any one of those things could be true. But for me, I know that at the end of the day, there comes a point where I’m ready to stop hustling, you know, at a certain point in the day, and I’m ready to go and be with my family and and there’s nothing at that point, saved from some catastrophic emergency that would take me away from them. And and I wonder if that’s really an entrepreneurial trait or not. And I know that you’ll hear a lot of people like Gary van der Chuck always says it’s family first and then business. And, and that’s awesome. But I don’t think there’s a whole lot and I’m going to get myself in trouble here. There, it would take probably a lot to get me to work 16 hour days for a few weeks to get a project done. And I didn’t mean I would do it if I really needed to. But I would be happy about it. And I think for entrepreneurs, they typically, they, they are happy to do it because they’re doing something they’re passionate about. And I’m passionate about lead pages. Like, unbelievably if you if you talk to me about it for two seconds, you know, I’m incredibly passionate about lead pages. And I’m incredibly passionate about conversion cast in my voiceover and stuff like that. But at the end of the day, I’m just more passionate about my family. And and so I don’t know, this isn’t this is kind of an existential question I’ve asked, and it’s not upsetting me, but it’s, it’s something I’m just curious about, like, Am I really an entrepreneur, if at the end of the day, I really just want to go be with my family. Once work is done.
David Ralph [43:38]
I don’t know. Well, I’ve got a friend, I say low string. And it’s very peculiar, I still can’t quite get used to the online world where you can build up relationships. And quite especially doing this being doing a podcast after this chat, Tim, I will feel that I I know you so well. And it’s really strange. There’s just kind of a connexion that you build having these days conversations with people. But there’s a chap who’s doing a podcast doing really well with it called the solo printer hour, I’ve mentioned him loads of times, Mr. Michael O’Neill. And he said something the other day, which I thought of as a bit spot on. And he said an entrepreneur is somebody who’s willing to work 100 hours a week, because they won’t work 40 hours per week for somebody else.
Tim Paige [44:21]
David Ralph [44:22]
And no interest. I like that, because I left my job, my corporate job, to spend more time with my family and to create a world that’s my own. And at the moment, it’s out of whack, I’ll be absolutely honest, I have, I haven’t got the balance right at all. I am doing everything I possibly can to get this. This dream that I’ve got, and now I’m doing it, it is a dream. It’s something about I feel like I have found myself behind the mic having these conversations. But I want to get it to a point where it is. If the kids have got a play, I can just go and do it. If the kids are doing something else, I can just choose it not like when I used to work in the today, where you really had to cough up a lung to prove that you you, you know, half hour off whatever. And when he said that the other day, I thought, Oh, that’s where I am at the moment. Is that right? Is that an entrepreneur? Or is that just a slippery slope that I’m already on?
Tim Paige [45:19]
I like it, I really do. And and I think it does. It does define an entrepreneur. And you know, I’m being a little selfish right now trying to figure out if it describes me or not? Because, yeah, if I had to make a decision right now, if it was like, all right, you can bust your tail for a whole lot of hours versus going to a traditional standard job. Yeah, I would bust my butt. I definitely wouldn’t. And I think I think the answer to that, for me is that I’m willing to bust my butt for 100 hours a week, on occasion, to never have to work 40 hours a week for somebody else. And, and this is a weird because, you know, I think I’ve admitted this before. I mean, I am an employee at lead pages, I am an employee. So I have a job to an extent. But the thing is, it is not like a 40 hour week, nine to five punch in punch out kind of job. I mean, I really run an aspect of that business conversion cast is my baby. And I’ve got great support from the team. But conversion cast is my business within lead pages. It’s a lead pages business. And at the end of the day, if I wasn’t with lead pages, it’s still lead hit. But I think you understand what I’m saying is it’s very entrepreneurial. And, and there are weeks when I have to put in 60 or 70 hours, because there are things that need to get done for conversion cast, because there are webinars that need to get done. And when I’m doing them, I’m never going God, I just wish that I could go hang out with my wife like, Oh, it’s not it’s not a thing like that. Like I’m loving it while I’m doing it. But then when it’s done, I’m happy because I’m going to go and hang out with my wife. So I guess. And you know, we’re talking a whole lot about me. And I don’t know if this helps anybody? I hope it does, because I hope you’re maybe going through these struggles. But yeah, I mean, I guess at the end of the day, I’m an entrepreneur, but maybe I’m just an odd one, which I’m okay with.
David Ralph [47:14]
I think art is good, though, isn’t it art is unique art is being your authentic self. And I keep on talking about authentic self, because I really do strongly believe now. But once you find the thing that you are naturally good at the thing that naturally puts you into a state of flow where you can just lose hours because you’re doing it, you really have got the golden chance of a future you can only dream about. And the thing about Join Up Dots is, but as you’ll hear me say at the end, I believe that we know what our path is. I believe that we know what our talents are our skills are. But for some reason along the line, we forget and we go into a job just because it’s an offer. And we we start to build careers. But ultimately we have haven’t got the passion for but if you look back at the things that you love doing when he was a 10 year old, and a 15 year old, so many people have spoken to and I’ve asked him that question, and I’m going to ask you that question. Now. Tim bat, are you doing pretty much what you were likely to do or finding it enjoyable? When you was a younger man Tim Paige before the vacuum cleaner business? and all that kind of business? sort of took took you over?
Tim Paige [48:27]
Yes and no. And I say yes and no, because what I wanted to do when I was a young kid was to be a professional rocker. So like I wanted to tour with a band, I wanted to be playing music every day. And I would say that I go, what do you actually play?
I play guitar and sing Oh, wow. Okay. And, and I did it for seven years, I toured all over the country. I was in a band that
I get it’s hard to describe the, I guess the level of success. But I would say we were moderately successful. We played on MTV, we, you know, we were constantly on tour, we made our living by touring. It wasn’t a good living, but it was a living. And, you know, we played festivals, and we got signed to a record deal and put out four different records. And we did all that stuff. And that’s what I had always wanted to do. And at the end of that seven years, I was ready to be done with it. And so I guess the thing is, I already did what I thought I would be doing when I was young. And now I’m kind of doing a modified version of that I’m not a rock star, but I still define my own destiny. And so I guess it’s it’s quite close. And knowing that I already accomplished what I wanted to accomplish when I was a kid makes me feel incredibly satisfied.
David Ralph [49:52]
He’s amazing, though. As a rock star as a Jon Bon Jovi or whatever you were you a man on the mic. We’ve charisma personality, which has to be presented on stage. And now really, you’re a rock star online on you, you are an online Rockstar.
Tim Paige [50:12]
I am an online.
Something. I’m an online guitar player trying to be a rock star.
Tim Paige [50:21]
But that’s good, though, isn’t
Tim Paige [50:22]
it? Is that is that not loud? But you wouldn’t have it any other way?
David Ralph [50:25]
Well, that’s that’s the answer that we want. And that’s that’s what I want from the show. I want that from everyone. If you are in a job that you love, and you were born to be an employee being brilliant, I’ve really, you know, a raise my hat to you and wish you all the best. But if you’re not, if you’re if you’re just in that situation of existing because you don’t know that you’ve got any options, the best advice that I can say to you is turn on your computer screen and start looking around. And the chat that I have was talking about earlier. And he’s been a huge inspiration to me, Mr. Michael O’Neill. And you don’t notice, Tim Paige, but the very first time I’ve ever been on a podcast was on his show, Episode Number eight, about 16 minutes in when I left him a little speak pipe voicemail. Because I suddenly had this this urge that I could do this. This is this is something that I think I’ll be good at. And I don’t know how to do this. And that was my first go at it. And I sent him this little voicemail and he played it on live. And the bus that I got hearing my voice I actually sort of downloaded it onto mp3 and kept on playing it secretly. So no one else could hear it. But it set me on that path. Now I wouldn’t have been able to be where I am today. If I hadn’t returned on the online world had a look around. He doesn’t have to be online, you can walk down the street, you can sort of look at florists, you can look at shopkeepers. You can look at loads of different things. There’s a watch Shark Tank. Yeah, there’s a world outside for you. And if you are in a situation that you don’t like, then you’ve got options. And the main option is you need to take control and stop being reactive to things and become proactive.
Unknown Speaker [52:14]
Love it. Yeah. Couldn’t agree more.
David Ralph [52:16]
That was quite profound for me. I don’t normally go perfect. That was fantastic. Yeah, I’m, I’m, we’re done. I’m done. I think I’ve listened to too many love your leaps. That’s the problem.
Tim Paige [52:27]
I’m gonna break your heart,
David Ralph [52:30]
essentially, doesn’t it?
Tim Paige [52:32]
It’s on it’s on. It’s on. indefinite hiatus. Why? Why is that?
Unknown Speaker [52:38]
Tim Paige [52:40]
I don’t know,
David Ralph [52:40]
because the time that you spoke But Joe?
No, I’m kidding. Uh, no,
Tim Paige [52:46]
Tim Paige [52:48]
it’s, it’s hard to say. But I think just for now, I think it needs to be on pause. And it’s probably going to come back at some point. But we, we feel that we’re putting so much into what we’re already doing. And that love your leap for a little while wasn’t getting the attention that it really deserved. Because I do think that the show has a lot of value to provide and, and john and i don’t usually get to wax, you know, poetic about lives and business and emotions and stuff like that, because we’re talking about, you know, some specific things on our other shows. And so we love doing the show, but I think it just needed a break so that we could kind of refresh it eventually.
David Ralph [53:29]
should not tell you something. Yeah, go I’m I haven’t shared this with anyone. But in front of me. I’ve got a picture of john Lee Dumas, who was the inspiration to do a daily show when I started listening to him and the success he had. I thought, yes, that’s what I want to do. And every day I look at this poster of john Lee Dumas and I’ve been I’m after you, john, I’m coming after you. I don’t know how long it’s going to take me. But I’m going to come after you only in a nice way. I’m not going to sort of go and stalk him.
Tim Paige [54:00]
Dave, it would make him so happy to hear that you say that though? Because he loves that. That’s all he wants to do it. He’s such a good guy. All he wants to do is inspire people.
David Ralph [54:08]
Yeah, I just want to one night be in San Diego, go up to the bar and bring him back a beer and say, bang. I’ve achieved some person
Tim Paige [54:17]
in two months from right now because it’s June in two months. In, in in Dallas. There’s a podcasting conference. Do you know about this movement, podcast movement, it’s in Dallas. It’s, it’s I can’t tell you the date right now because I’m not good on the fly. But it’s like sometime at the end of August. And john is speaking I’m speaking. Chris Brogan is speaking Jamie tardy is speaking. It’s an amazing event. And if you come out to that, I will introduce you to john. And I guarantee you, the man will sit down and have a beer with you and talk to you.
David Ralph [54:55]
Well, that’s a that’s a challenge. That’s what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna work my boots off to try to get this to a position that I can leave it which is sort of taking all my time at the moment. And then I
Tim Paige [55:07]
yeah, I called you
David Ralph [55:08]
out on your show. So you’ll do that I will do I will work my absolute hardest to be there. August but you everyone’s listening to that. If If you come in my house, and I’m sitting here in August, then something has gone wrong.
Tim Paige [55:20]
Yeah, that’s right. No, this is this is the thing, you know, in sales, they teach you like, there’s no, there’s no other option. So there’s no other option, you’re going to go to that event, figure it out.
David Ralph [55:30]
Unless I’m on holiday with my wife. I think I might be on holiday in Spain for two weeks in August. So well, we’ll have to see. But then I could always invite john across, can I There you go. We go. Just before you go, Tim, this is the very end of the show. And this is the bit that we call the Sermon on the mic. And this is the bit when I send you back in time, like a Marty McFly, a bearded Marty McFly, to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you land it in a room with a young team, what age would you like to have a one on one with what kind of world words of wisdom would you would you lay on them. So this is the Sermon on the mic. And when the music finishes, I’m going to go quiet. And it’s over to you.
With the best of the show.
Hello, Tim Paige,
Tim Paige [56:34]
this is you when you’re older, your voice doesn’t really sound like this. This is, you know, just me being goofy. But you know, here’s the thing, you’re doing a good job, you’re going to make a lot of really dumb mistakes in the future. Just know that and that’s totally okay. Because everybody makes mistakes. And probably right now you’re thinking, you’re a little angry. Because I know at this point in your life, you’re you’re a little angry about nothing, which is odd. I’m not sure which what you were so mad about now, but you know, at this point, you know what you are mad about. And, you know, you’re trying to figure out a bunch of stuff and trying to figure out who you are. And that’s okay, and keep doing what you’re doing. And I just want to tell you that, you know, at some point, in the very near future, you’re actually going to be really happy and you’re going to figure out, you know, kind of who you are. And that’s always going to be morphing and changing and and and just know that the reason why you’re going to go through some of the hard times that you’re going to go through like you’re what you’re going to go through and about a year or so is because you need to go through these hard times to to really, you know, relish the great times. And it’s it’s really odd and you won’t believe this now. But the hardest times in your life are the ones that usually teach you the most and prepare you the most for for the future. So just know all the stuff you’re going through right now and are going to be going through in the next couple of years are there to prepare you for the amazing life that you’re going to have ahead of you. When you are about to turn 30 like I am Hello?
David Ralph [58:04]
Is that Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, even 30 I’m looking at a picture of you and you look like William You look like a mature man. I could never grow a beard like that Tim Paige.
Tim Paige [58:16]
Actually, I just turned 30
David Ralph [58:18]
I just turned 4440
That’s awesome. best years of your life.
David Ralph [58:23]
44 years old. Anyway, I’m not gonna wax lyrical about my, my knees. Are you kidding? My back hurting and all that kind of stuff? that’s already happening for me Come on, and the hair that’s starting to appear in places that you don’t need here. Why do you suddenly have hair coming down the top of your nose?
Tim Paige [58:38]
Whoever I was gonna say are you talking about my beard? Because that I’ve been doing intention
David Ralph [58:42]
woke up. When we did go could you actually let it go to a kind of Forrest Gump style.
Tim Paige [58:49]
I don’t know where I want it to go yet. There’s I follow a guy beard brand.com I follow that guy. He’s got like this glorious beard. But I don’t know if I could let it get there. I’m not sure if it was look good on me. Or if I just look like I was gonna go make calls or something.
David Ralph [59:03]
I can grow a beard like kind of pre pubescent Asian girl. It’s pathetic Tim Paige
Tim Paige [59:12]
It’s in the genes. Man, my dad can grow a beard. And you know,
David Ralph [59:15]
he’s in the China house. Mr. Tim page, it’s been an absolute delight to have you on the show today really has and you’ve been, you know, so open and generous. And I feel that you’ve kind of touched on areas that really will send out a message to the audience. And that’s what the show is all about. And as as the show proceeds, prove there’s so many opportunities when I say to all the guests, you know, if you’ve got something to share, if you’ve got a success in your life, or you just in a period where you might be struggling and you feel that you can pass on more knowledge to the audience, please come back. Because I believe that by Join Up Dots and connecting our paths, we really have the best opportunities to build our future. Mr. Page, thank you so much.
Tim Paige [59:55]
Oh, thank you so much for having me here. This has been awesome.
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