Udo Erasmus Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast
Introducing Udo Erasmus
Udo Erasmus is today’s guest on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business podcast.
He is a legendary health and wellness pioneer, acclaimed author and extensive educator.
He developed the machinery to create FLAX OIL and started the Healthy Fats Movement.
He is the Co-Founder of Udo’s Choice, a global leader in cutting edge health products having sold tens of millions of bottles of healthy oils, probiotics and digestive enzymes.
He has incredible knowledge on a range of subjects such as Digestion, Nutrition, Mental Health, Presence, Consciousness, Emotional Awareness and Natural Living.
He has extensive education in Biochemistry and Biology, a Masters Degree in Counselling Psychology.
Udo has impacted over 5,000,000+ lives by passionately conducting 5,000+ live presentations, 3,000+ media interviews, 1,500 staff training’s and is a teacher at Tony Robbin’s and Deepak Chopra’s events.
How The Dots Joined Up For Udo
As a war immigrant Udo had an extremely challenging childhood.
After being poisoned by pesticides and being unable to find any help Udo began what would become a life long study of health.
Udo considers all of the elements of whole health.
So how do we get to peak fitness if we are short of money and time in today’s ever busy world?
And is the mental aspect of health more important than the body or does it not matter?
Well let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr Udo Erasmus
During the show we discussed such weight subjects with Udo Erasmus such as:
How a failed marriage caused him to want to get a job that allowed him to go and kill stuff…which almost ended up killing him.
We discuss how 95% of people live in a world of scarcity and are terrified of missing out on stuff they actually dont even want.
Udo shares the steps for us to take to find the riches inside of us. This is the true wealth.
Udo Erasmus shares a story of naked mud wrestling on a beach with a bunch of men….this wasn’t expected!!
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Interview Transcription For Udo Erasmus Interview
David Ralph [0:01]
Once upon a time, there was a guy with a dream, a dream to quit his job, support himself online and have a kickoff live. Little did he know that dream would lead him into a world of struggle, burnout and debt, until he found the magic ingredient and no struggles became a thing of the past. I of course, was that person. And now My dream is to make things happen for you. Welcome to Join Up Dots.
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David Ralph [0:52]
Yes. Hello. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. And thank you so much for joining us on the Join Up Dots podcast. If this is the first time that you’ve joined us, thank you so much. If you’ve been with us for the last six years, thank you so much as well because we really do appreciate every single one of you. Well, today’s guest on the show is a legendary health and wellness pioneer, acclaimed author and extensive educator, he developed the machinery to create flax oil, and started the healthy fats movement. Now he’s also the co founder of unos choice a global leader in cutting edge health products having sold 10s of millions of bottles of healthy yours probiotics and digestive enzymes. He has incredible knowledge on a range of subjects such as digestion, nutrition, mental health, presence, consciousness, emotional awareness, and natural living. He has extensive education in biochemistry and biology and a master’s degree in counselling psychology. Now that is just like the framework of it because he’s also impacted over 5 million plus lives by passionately conducting 5000 plus live presentation. 3000 plus media interviews 1500 staff trainings and he’s also a teacher at Tony Robbins and Deepak Chopra’s advence now as a wall immigrant, he had an extremely challenging childhood and after being poisoned by pesticides and being unable to find any help, he began what would become a lifelong study of health. He considers all the elements of how else don’t you just don’t focus on one thing people you do the whole thing. So how do we get to peak fitness if we are short of money and time in today’s ever busy world? And is the mental aspect of health more important when the body or does it not matter when let’s find out as we bring to the show to start joining up? With the one and only Udo Erasmus. Good morning. How are you?
Udo Erasmus [2:49]
Good morning. I’m good.
David Ralph [2:52]
I think you’re good. I think you’re you seem to be a man of a huge health. Quite sprightly Can Can I ask? It’s a bit of a rude question. But you’re not a lady. So I’m going to ask it anyway. How old are you?
Udo Erasmus [3:05]
David Ralph [3:08]
so you it is only two people as sprightly as you, my dad and Paul McCartney. I think
Udo Erasmus [3:18]
I think I’m actually in better shape than Paul.
David Ralph [3:20]
Yeah, I think I think you are. So your journey into well, health it was it was caused by an issue. You know, I always ask this question at the end of the show been gonna ask you straight away. Is that one of those sort of black dots that you look back at now, and you can go if I wasn’t poisoned, my life would be totally different.
Unknown Speaker [3:41]
For sure, for sure. And it came out of what happened was my marriage broke up, and I was very upset and I wanted to kill something. So I took a job as a pesticide sprayer, kill things, right. I know it’s crazy, but it’s really true. And then I was really careless and after three years of being super picky Karelis walking barefoot through this. Over the lawns, I sprayed till the skin peeled off the bottom of my feet. I mean, I was really careless. And so I got poisoned after three years and the doctor said we don’t have anything for pesticide poisoning. And that’s when the light went on for me about my health be my responsibility. I’d heard that before. And how always sounded good, but, but now right now, it was like, Oh, yeah, okay. It’s real.
David Ralph [4:27]
Well, yeah, how annoyed were you the fact you know, I thought when you said that, you you know, you wanted to kill something because you know, your marriage went wrong. I thought you were gonna say three months, three years.
Udo Erasmus [4:38]
Well, you know, that’s why I was proud. It took me two years to get over it. But you know, then I have the job. And I was I was still just people said to me, I don’t Aren’t you worried you’re going to get poisoned? I said, Now I’m immune. I think some people call that testosterone poisoning. The that’s what young men have until they get their first first is that therefore Self created disaster.
David Ralph [5:03]
So we yourself and I’m going to lead to so many different questions, but obviously we’re going to go off in directions. One of the things that I asked in the introduction because it’s, it was never a big part of my life, I didn’t really care at all about mental health, I didn’t even consider it was a thing, it was just you know, if I could understand getting healthy body wise, but not your mind, is that more important than the body or does it not really matter does one go hand in hand with the other?
Udo Erasmus [5:33]
Well, they you know, you can have physical problems of physical origin and you can have mental problems of physical origin, but you can also have mental problems of mental origin and, and physical problems of mental origin. The way you think determines where you go, and what you do. So your mind is always involved in, in what goes on in your life. And if you can Clean up your your, your your mind, that’s just as important as cleaning up your body. But it
David Ralph [6:05]
sounds like it’s more important because in fact drives where you’re going. A positive, healthy mindset leads to, you know, just positives around, doesn’t it?
Udo Erasmus [6:16]
Yeah, I just don’t want to say that everything is mental. Because you know, you can be in an environment where you’re just whistling a happy tune and, you know, step into something that you didn’t put there and you didn’t know was there and that wasn’t good for you. So so I don’t want to be too extreme about it. But how we think, you know, basically what what we do is we grow it we become in with a life, where just about we could go in any direction. And then how we think, which is largely determined by who were around when we’re little children, and who educates us. What we think is the instructions we give life on how are you Journey is going to be. So that’s pretty. So that’s pretty powerful. So thinking, thinking is is very important that we, that we, you know, if you can step out and say, Okay, what do I really want to think? What do I really want to be? How do do I want my life to be? If you could, if you could step out and do that you could literally create any life you want. I mean, yeah, maybe you can’t fly because you don’t have wings. But, but anything that’s humanly possible is and and what we tend to do is we restrict ourselves over the course of our childhood and early adulthood to a very, very and expanded life. Very, very much constricted life, given we come in with so much possibility. I mean, you could have been a Buddha, but you ended up being whatever you are, or I could have. I don’t forget, because I don’t know you well enough, right.
David Ralph [7:56]
I love the fact that you didn’t even say your podcast you You couldn’t even grasp what I do. I’m not much of a mystery to you bear in mind. I’m speaking into a microphone and you’re on a pot.
Udo Erasmus [8:10]
Yeah. Well, that’s that far I could have gone. Yes.
David Ralph [8:14]
I think you need help. I think you need help.
Udo Erasmus [8:17]
David Ralph [8:18]
well, one of the things that I’m aware of, or when you’re talking about that is the fact that in many ways, we are not programmed to think as you say, we’re almost dictated to from a very early age. But nowadays, with the ability to connect so easily, we’ve got also the ability to see different ways of life. And more often than not, when you see how people are operating and how wonderful their life seems, it makes your own seem a bit rubbish. And so we are thinking more and more in certain regards, but I think we’re thinking more about what we’re lacking, more than what’s available, which you think
Udo Erasmus [9:00]
Oh, I think that’s true. I think 95% of the population elation thinks more out of out of scarcity, then out of abundance, no question. It’s possible for anyone but you know, we get primed for thinking scarcity through our entire childhood where we can’t we only absorb information. And we’re not yet in a place where we can think for ourselves, because that comes up later. Like maybe when we’re seven, or maybe when we’re 10 1112 that we start to think for ourselves, but by that time, we’re already very programmed. And it doesn’t occur to many people, that it could be different. So they’re just trying to get through and I think you guys call it muddle through. Well, they’re just, they’re just trying to muddle through right. And, and, and it doesn’t occur to them, you know, you could be anything.
David Ralph [9:54]
Like, let’s get this right, because what does it not occur to them where If I put somebody in a road and say walk to that place, they will make decisions whether to go left to go right to go straight ahead, and they end up at that location. So why do people not consider that the same in their own life, but they can make these decisions, change direction, retracts to where they were go again, to get to where they want to be. It’s the same, isn’t it?
Udo Erasmus [10:25]
It’s it. It’s because it’s because we, I would say it’s because we don’t spend time sitting down, getting quiet, going internal, but beyond our thinking. And then being in a free space where we can create what we’re doing instead. Most of the time, we’re just living in reaction to something. So and you know, whether it’s the job or it’s the wife or the kids or it’s the traffic or whatever it is we’re doing, and we’re just in a We’re in a lineup, you know where the lineup begins at birth and ends at death. We’re in the lineup and we’re just, you know, we’re, it’s, it’s like if you’re under stress, that’s probably not the best place for creative thinking for most people. Now couldn’t be creative under stress. But if you’re thinking you’re going to get your butt bitten off by a Sabre toothed tiger, you’re probably not going to be thinking about art and and Leonardo da Vinci and how cool he was and all of that, but and you’re not going to be thinking about your, your, your own personal Leonardo that you are and how cool you are, because you’re just trying to get out of there and you’re just trying to survive.
David Ralph [11:41]
Now we’re going to play words that really sort of drill home to that and we play these on a lot of shows his Oprah, the way
Oprah Winfrey [11:48]
through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself, what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is that The next right move and then from that space make the next right move and the next right move and not to be overwhelmed by it because you know your life is bigger than that one moment you know you’re not defined by what somebody says is a failure for you because failure is just there to point you in a different direction. Now to spin that slightly
David Ralph [12:21]
what she’s saying is we need to start thinking we need to allow ourselves the space to start thinking and but I direct ourselves
Udo Erasmus [12:30]
but but I think what she’s actually saying is we need to sit down and shut up and get quiet. So that thinking can actually begin and the quietness it you know, the thinking is easy. The getting quiet. Is is the harder
David Ralph [12:46]
Yeah, as a podcast I struggle with that To be honest, is I learned my own my livelihood opening on my mouth more times when when possible. Now with yourself Udo you should have come on the show many months ago. And I’m racking my brains because I remember reading something about you. And nudity walking around naked or something. And I’m yeah. Oh issue because I was thinking was that another guest that I researched? But um, yeah. So what was this thing about you and walking around naked? Tell us about it.
Udo Erasmus [13:19]
Oh, okay. I was in University studying biology. And so in biology, what do you do you look at, you look at creatures, and you look at them from all ends and you look at their insides and you’re looking at their outsides and you know, you’re doing it and it’s all just matter of fact. And it’s all really interesting because the way creatures are put together by nature is spectacularly amazing, and creative. And I had experiences of us studying biology. And then one day I realised that I was ashamed of my body. It was like, Well, that doesn’t make any sense. But how But how did how so how did I become ashamed of my body? I don’t even know. So I said, Okay, well how do I fix it? As if I’m good at looking up the butts of dead animals? I should be. I should be okay looking up my own life but right. So, so I figured, okay, the way to get comfortable well with my body is to get comfortable being naked around other people. Right? And yeah, so so and then I was down and then if somebody came by the beach, then I would I would just duck because I was uncomfortable, right? And then pretty soon I’m walking down the beach and somebody comes and I would go and sit down behind the log. And then pretty soon i would i would be walking naked down the beach and somebody else would come the other way. And I would just keep walking. And so after two years of doing that consistently, I basically was Over over my shame of my own body and
David Ralph [15:05]
so so this wasn’t a
Udo Erasmus [15:06]
nudist beach this was just a beach no no no yeah we started it we started the nude beach
David Ralph [15:13]
so So did you know that you were going to get arrested after two years you would
Udo Erasmus [15:16]
buy was it was quite a ways off the road and there was there’s no roads down there so it’s hard for the arresters to get there
David Ralph [15:24]
still laws as long as there’s decency laws, you can’t just a slightly going into a supermarket and get me bits and bobs out. I’ve been saying there’s no laws in here. That is still well,
Udo Erasmus [15:38]
but But see, I see I wasn’t doing bits and bobs. I was just I was just walking around. But I guess it’s because I’m one of the 5% not one of those 95% so I didn’t worry too much about it. What actually started the started the nude beach was a bunch of us got together and we wrestled naked in the mud in the mud flats on the beach. at low tide, and we were just like when we were little stone that might help a little, but it was so it was so childlike and so not weird that our whole group of people gathered around they said, Well, I want to I want to be able to feel that free. And that’s what started the beach.
David Ralph [16:19]
So So I’m going back into the summary of the story with it. Was it all men wrestling? Was it men and women wrestling?
Udo Erasmus [16:27]
It was all men men wrestling as 1969
David Ralph [16:31]
Yeah, perfect year.
Udo Erasmus [16:34]
David Ralph [16:35]
The perfect year for it? Or whether said 1969?
Udo Erasmus [16:39]
Summer of 69. Yeah, yeah.
There’s even a song about it.
David Ralph [16:45]
And are you are you still connected with these guys? Do you sort of meet up in muddy swimming pools and hang around together?
Udo Erasmus [16:53]
No, I haven’t seen like I was down there for two years. And then a guy came by and he you know, he’s he came he had clothes on. He yelled at me Put your clothes on. And I yelled at him back at him in the same tone. I’m not telling you to take my ears off. Don’t tell me to put mine on. And as soon as I had said that, I said, Okay, I’m good with naked now. And so I disappeared off the beach. And that was, I guess it 919 71. And now I have not kept track. I’ve always followed my paths. And I’ve noticed that whenever I start a new thing, not everybody that I was with on the net last one follows. Actually, most of them don’t.
David Ralph [17:32]
But what I love about what you’re saying, and it’s very different from the conversation I was expecting, or what Well, certainly I wasn’t, I wasn’t expecting mud wrestling with men by any stretch of the imagination is the fact that you are open to opportunities. You don’t see it as a limitation. You see it as a liberation.
Udo Erasmus [17:53]
Yeah, you know, I always thought in those days when I start cut loose from my education and started exploring the world I said, You know, I will always assume that what I’m doing is okay. And if somebody thinks it’s not okay, they can tell me. And but I didn’t do weird stuff either. I was I was, you know, I wasn’t beating people up and I wasn’t doing nasty things and I wasn’t stealing and, you know, but I was doing things that, that that felt okay to me. And, you know, even the way we extended the beach, I, what I the way I extended the beach, because I wanted to extend it like, there’s a long beach and most of it was not naked, most of it was closed. So I would, I would get take a garbage bag and I’d pick up all the garbage on the beach. And so I’d be walking naked with a big garbage bag. And I would always take the garbage can into the garbage bag into the clothes section and dump it in a garbage can in the clothes section. So I could just imagine what was going on in people’s mind. This guy is obviously completely crazy, but he’s obviously doing something useful. So Nobody ever said anything about me doing it
David Ralph [19:03]
is there’s a thing about, you know, two couples or a couple on a British train. And it was a really busy train and they were making love passionately. And nobody says a word. Nobody says a word. And I did I just taught. And then afterwards, I saw them light up a cigarette, and one of the passengers said, Excuse me, this is a no smoking carriage. And it sounds like that kind of thing was going on at that time.
Udo Erasmus [19:32]
Yeah, it’s, yeah, I mean, and I was really just, I mean, I wasn’t beating people up. I was not telling them they had to take their clothes off. So I was never imposing on people. What I thought they should do, because I always felt you know, I should be free to do what I want to do. But I don’t have the right to tell you what you should do. You should discover that for yourself. Oh,
David Ralph [19:59]
I’m going to play some words. Now I am Ben, I’m going to come back to you because this fascinates me. He’s Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [20:05]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [20:32]
Now, what you do is is large, you know, at the healthy fats movement, you know, we’ve heard that across the world. And, you know, it never dawned on me that there was a founder there was a creator of these kind of things. They’re almost, you know, it’s almost like pop culture. It’s just in your head. When you start on these things. Do you find the loving them or do you do them because you think there’s a benefit to the world? What’s the difference between love and benefit to the world? A one I would say is an internal thing, but you feel good, and you actually enjoy the process. And then other times you’re actually doing something because you think it brings world peace and harmony by providing facts and movement.
Udo Erasmus [21:23]
Right, I have to say it has to be both. Because inside is where there is where the drive comes from. And outside is where the effect is. And that they have to be both, they both have to be the same. Like if I can do when I started working with oils, because I learned from the research how much damage is done and that they’re, they cause the most problems because of the most sensitive nutrients. We treat them with the least care. We should be making oils with health and nine I can’t get healthy and damaged oils. That was my thought. And then the omega threes were shown to be essential in 1981. So That was the year after I got poisoned. And I just went ballistic. I said, Oh my God, we could help so many people, if we could bring back these essential nutrients that are too low in 99% of the population. And if we could bring them back made with health in mind, because they’re damaged very easily, if we could bring them back, we could have so many people and I, we just went ballistic. We were, we were so on fire. So it was both inside and outside because the fire if the fire is not in me, where’s my energy going to come from? So internal, but it has to be something that has positive benefit. So I’m not talking about chopping down all the forests, and I’m not talking about killing a bunch of people. I’m talking about what can I do with the energies that I have that comes out of me. That’s the entrepreneurial part. That also has a huge effect as huge and effect for in a positive way on the corner. idea of life of the of the creatures on the planet. That’s the model. It’s got to be both.
David Ralph [23:06]
Would you consider yourself to be a wealthy man? Not just financially, but sort of financially and sort of life force? Would Would you say that you’ve absolutely plenty of both?
Udo Erasmus [23:18]
Absolutely. I am the richest person I know. But But rich, ultimately, is an internal feeling. See, I remember a story from 2008. There’s a German guy, he doesn’t he had $9 billion. And in 2008, he lost half a billion. So he lost one 18th of his wealth. That’s like 6% he was so screwed up by that, that he jumped in front of a train and killed himself. So So wealth is not wealth if you’re not feeling wealthy. And it’s not a thing to brag about. It’s it’s something that enriches you. Life is What makes you rich if you’re in touch with life? You are super rich?
David Ralph [24:06]
Yeah, I you know, I see simplicity but people are lacking it.
Udo Erasmus [24:11]
Yeah. And you can’t and you could have you could be in a position where you don’t even have a diamond your pocket and you could still feel absolutely stinking filthy rich.
Unknown Speaker [24:22]
David Ralph [24:23]
How would you vote because I could I could understand that Udo if you’re, you know, if you’re not connected to the world somehow if you are on an island, you don’t know what’s going on. But once again, the kind of comparison of life that’s quite difficult to feel that way. Now, if you’re looking around and everybody else seems to be having, you know, a plentiful time. If you was in a forest and you’d grown up in a forest vain I could imagine that that’s true.
Udo Erasmus [24:51]
No, but why why is it Why is it one or the other? I live in I live in the in the in the concrete jungle but I think Still have life inside of me. It’s about where you keep your attention because if you could put your attention on the outside that’s not where you’re that’s not where your riches live your riches live inside of you. Yeah, but when you say back it so so no but sit so I can talk to you on on the on this on this podcast. You’re in England, I’m in Canada. I can stand here and talk to you about my life and your questions and your whatever we’re doing. And I can still be feeling present in my own life at the same time.
David Ralph [25:34]
Yeah, but you don’t feel rich. You know, you were saying that? I would say the majority of people, if they were out there, and they haven’t got money in their pockets, they would find it hard to say I feel rich.
Udo Erasmus [25:47]
Now if you’ve got the money, but it’s not but it’s not because they don’t have money in their pocket. It’s because they’re not present in their own life. Because your life is your riches you take you take life out of the equation. You got nothing Yeah, no money in the bank, you got nothing. I agree. So what is it that so what does it take to get to like Oprah said in that thing you play, what does it take to get still and be present in the space that you occupy and feel what that feels like? Because that’s where your wealth lives. I agree. Well, so on the outside is an extension of that. Not a not a cause of that. We I grew up really poor. I was born during the war. We were super poor. I don’t remember ever feeling poor. But my sister who was four years older, I remember she felt poor because she was always comparing herself to everybody else. Oh, they have that and I don’t have that. I never did that. I don’t know why. I don’t know. Maybe I was too stupid to do that. But I don’t know why I was always I was interested in a little spider in the grass. And that was my life. And and that spider was I mean, I can you know They laughed at me because I said, Did you see the cows in the middle? I said no, but there was this little red spider. And I was in the grass with my nose, right, just down close to the dirt. This little red spider was going up and down blades of grass. And I was just watching it do that. Right. So, you know, so I didn’t see the cows. But I but I was rich. Because I was engaged in something I was I was, you know, it was I wasn’t comparing something. Yeah.
David Ralph [27:30]
But I’m going to keep on drilling into this. Because, yeah, I totally agree with what you’re saying. But I also think about the world out there that is trying to make a living, you know, it’s one of those statements, but you’re obviously a wealthy man financially and you’re wealthy man physically and sort of in life force, which is great for you. But if you haven’t got the money, then you wouldn’t say I’m rich. I don’t think anybody out there would go yes, I feel rich. They would be thinking I need some money. Sure.
Udo Erasmus [28:01]
I would, I would say that I grew up poor. I never felt poor. I’ve made more money sometimes I had less money sometimes. When I started the oil thing, we were broke. We were completely broke. I wasn’t working because I had been poisoned by pesticides. I had moved in with my mother. I was 42 years old or something 3038 when I got poisoned, so so I was I was 4141 living with my mother, my mother was on all the age assistance. I helped her with her her health problems. So it was a not a bad thing. I wasn’t I wasn’t rich, but I felt rich. rich, rich is a feeling
that’s got nothing to do with not nothing to do with money.
David Ralph [28:52]
No, I mean we can we can speak our motto face because what you’re saying out there people need this. This this ability so,
Udo Erasmus [29:01]
David Ralph [29:02]
Why? visibility? Why have you been able to sit there looking at a spider and feel rich when the whole world nowadays is comparing? We see it on Instagram we see on Facebook, we see it everywhere but people are constantly in the search for more, more more. So, Erasmus what what how have you got this spider talent, these this great responsibility that happened?
Udo Erasmus [29:29]
Well, I think everyone has it, but people don’t pay attention to it. The thing is that what what drives us is our disconnection from ourselves. And what makes us rich is our reconnection to ourselves. And because we were driven by this disconnection, that’s why nothing is ever enough. And as long as you’re chasing it on the outside, it will never be enough because the disconnection is an internal one. And a reconnection has to be an internal one and we’re trying to get The internal disconnection reconnected by something on the outside. That’s why the guy killed himself even though he only lost 6% of his $9 billion. Because inside, he was still disconnected. Outside, he had all the money and he could have bought anything. And, you know, even even after he lost his half billion, he could have bought anything. And he, he thought his life was over because he was never in touch with his life. He was only in touch with his money. So what kind of a life is that? You don’t trees don’t need the trees don’t do that. Even the dogs don’t do that. I’m very good at being present.
David Ralph [30:40]
Yeah, I’m very good at being in nature. Walking around, feeling the wind in my face feeling the sun and cane saying to people Isn’t this amazing? Isn’t it this great so so I you know, I know you but
Udo Erasmus [30:55]
but yeah, but wait, you’re still talking about the outside and I’m talking about the inside
David Ralph [30:59]
base. How My Side isn’t it
Udo Erasmus [31:02]
well no out in nature there’s paces better but it’s still outside I don’t depend on being in nature for that feeling because that feeling is exists inside of me inside of every human being. I just need to go to that feeling I can be in my car I can be in the lineup I can be in a traffic jam. I can be anywhere and that feeling is in me should I choose to bring my awareness inward to that feeling and connect with myself?
David Ralph [31:31]
Right so how do we do it? How do we do it? I need I need this. We we need to share this with the world we’ve got the people on the view okay. And they’re standing here with somebody armpit in their face and I’ve had a bad day. And and All I’ve got is the stresses of getting home to the kids and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. How do you say to yourself?
Udo Erasmus [31:50]
Well, the first thing is you have to you have to be willing to accept your starting point. The starting point is you feel disconnected. Your heart aches. Whether you call loneliness and you blame it on a woman or blame it on not having a woman, or you call it the blues, and you blame it on somebody dumping you. Or whether you call it sorrow because your grandmother died or somebody who you love moved away. That that feeling that I’ve got 10 pages of words people use for that feeling, thirst of the heart. I like that because it’s a different way say thirst of the heart to feel fulfilled is our driving floors. So the first thing to do, you need to sit down and feel that feeling and we don’t like that feeling because it’s intense. So we and we judge it negatively. So we don’t want to feel it. So every all our distractions. That’s a way of getting away from feeling discontent. What I say to people is sit with that feeling. Feel it, embrace it, accept it, don’t judge it. Just feel it because that’s your starting point for the journey. If you can slip behind that front Feeling there’s where your fulfilment lives, it’s always there. Just your awareness needs to come on. That’s all it is. It’s a journey of awareness. If your awareness is, is in, inside in your life, hope, you know, in touch with the energy that is your life. That’s where your fulfilment lives. It doesn’t live anywhere on the outside, you can say, Okay, if I if they everybody loves me, I’ll be happy. That’s not gonna happen. If, if I make so much money, I’m going to be happy, then you make the money, but then, you know, whatever, somebody steals it or, or if things change and you don’t have that money, then you’re unhappy again, that’s conditional. What I’m talking about is a happiness that is unconditional. Its life, love for your body. If you’re in touch with the unconditional love that life has for your body. You are not going to have a bad day in your life. Except when you when you when you move, you’re aware from it. So starting starting point is sit with that uncomfortable feeling. We always were always called drug addicts are famous for having that, for having that. Feeling that feeling, feeling that heartache, and they’re always told not to dwell on it. And I’m saying, No, you should dwell on it, you should sit in it, you should feel it. It’s your starting point. If you’re not willing to put your feet in the blocks, where the race starts, you ain’t gonna run the race. So start with that. And just sit and he literally sit, sit through it sit inward. And if you can, if you want to find teachers of that, that can help you but fundamentally, it’s your job. It’s your thing. The best thing I can do is set tell you that that ache that you feel that you don’t like, is the greatest gift you have other than being alive, because it will nag you until you come home. It is your heart, calling your attention. To come back home to life inside, and it will nag you until you do that. It’s like hunger that gives value to food. hardik gives value to life. And it’s it’s the probably the single most important not had conversation on the planet. The conversation about reframing this Arctic into a gift rather than a curse. Because of the power it has to bring you home. If you never if you didn’t have that ache, you get so lost in your distractions you would never find your way home. Now I’ve got
David Ralph [35:40]
a book on my shelf, but I’ve been meaning to read for four years really called The Power of Now by Eckhart yo. And people keep saying to me read it, read it and I kind of go Yes, I will. And I’ll reach out for every now and again and I don’t. But that seems to be quite relevant to what you’re saying. You know, and Being aware of the moment and, and you’re feeling Yeah. next sentence.
Udo Erasmus [36:05]
Yeah, Eckhart Tolle, he was depressed and he was ready to kill himself. And while he was contemplating that, he realised there were two people there. And they said, Who are these two people? And he, then he tried to figure out who these two people are. And in the process, he found a way to drop into himself. And the, in my opinion, the book is very well worth reading. It’s it’s it that is that is his theme is a little less light. I think I’m a little lighter about it than he is. But but the topic is a very powerful topic. And I guess that’s why he sold so many books.
David Ralph [36:52]
I’m gonna I’m walking naked around my garden. I’m gonna I’m gonna take a leap.
Udo Erasmus [36:57]
I know I but I think you should walk Naked down the street while you’re reading it
David Ralph [37:02]
is rose again. Oh yeah, kind of pushed me into this kind of thing
Udo Erasmus [37:06]
my head No, no, my father My father gave me one piece of good advice. Our relationship was pretty, pretty tough but he said you know he said you can do anything you want in your life provided two things. One is you’re willing to take the consequences that come with what you’re doing. And number two that you’re not doing on the sneak because if you’re doing it on the sneak you know that you shouldn’t be doing it so you should not be doing it. Yeah.
David Ralph [37:33]
Well walking down the street naked in England. My consequential be I will be ending up in a prison sale being hugged by some large hairy man, I’m sure
Udo Erasmus [37:43]
yes, but but but but think of think about a whole new adventure that would come out of all that.
David Ralph [37:48]
I don’t want to go there.
Unknown Speaker [37:51]
Okay, well, you don’t have to.
David Ralph [37:52]
It’s an adventure that I’m not willing to take. Well, let’s play. The last of the speeches that we normally do on the show. We normally only do two What we’ve done previous time here, Steve Jobs,
Steve Jobs [38:02]
of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [38:37]
There the free perfect speeches together on Jim Oprah and Steve.
Unknown Speaker [38:43]
Yeah, it’s pretty good.
David Ralph [38:45]
Pretty good, dude. Oh, it’s it’s, it’s the whole
Unknown Speaker [38:49]
basis of my show. Okay, it’s a friggin amazing.
David Ralph [38:52]
It is amazing that show some passion that’s big up for the job. That’s what we need to do. So So when you look back on your life, What would it be that the sort of the poisoning would that be your big dog would be that the moment where your life changed forever? No,
Udo Erasmus [39:10]
no, no, that was that was a that was a smaller thing. I’m working on a. I when I was six years old in Germany after the war, we were refugees from Poland. And the communists were chasing us in tanks and trucks. The Allies were shooting us from planes. They were using refugees, which were mostly mothers and children in horse drawn hay. waggons trying to get the hell out of Poland. Away from the communists. They were using us for target practice. I came I grew up very anxious. Look, I was pretty much a loner read a tonne of books because they were safe. And when I was six years old, I heard people arguing adults arguing about really stupid things. And at least I thought they were really trivial at six years old, so much To be pretty trivial, and I, the it’s up to me, the thought occurred to me, there must be a better way to live. And I’m going to find out how that’s been my driver since I was six years old. And I know what I’m doing now under the umbrella of health and human nature, creating a field of, of literally creating a roadmap of how people can get fully present in their own life and their surroundings and not lost in thoughts in their head and have, you know, to to be able to experience the, the the magnificence of being alive because we’re just dust and water. And we get to have the human experience for a while. And so, so that’s what I’m doing. But that started when I was six years old. The oil story started when I was in from the pesticide poison, and the story is a smaller story within a much bigger story.
David Ralph [41:00]
Now I coach you, yes. 77 years old. So you’re just middle aged at the moment. We know from hearing you, I know, you’re going to be 150 plus. Yeah.
Udo Erasmus [41:11]
But I feel like I’m just getting started.
David Ralph [41:13]
Well, this is the leading up to my question. It sounds like you’re just getting started. So are you you know, do you feel that you’re running out of time, but, you know, you are just getting started.
Udo Erasmus [41:25]
I, you know, I’m aware, but I’m not running out of time.
David Ralph [41:32]
Well, we’re all running out of time and we know
Udo Erasmus [41:36]
something in us timeless. And and, and you know, what, if you if you get if you get closer to what is timeless in you, that will also give your body more time. And that’s really good. It’s pretty good research that when you’re when you can be still inside. You actually can reverse ageing to a level to us to an extent I’m I you know, I honestly trust that what I’m here to do will get done. And I won’t check out before it’s done.
David Ralph [42:10]
Wow, good on you. Good on you. And I’ll tell you what that means that you’ll have to come back on the show. You know, when when I’m 92. And you’re 20 years. I mean, you go. Yeah, that sounds good, powerful stuff. I’m looking forward to it.
Yeah, I’m looking forward to it as well. Well, this is the part of the show that I have been looking forward to that we call the Sermon on the mic when we send you back your time to have a one on one with your younger self. And so if you could go back in time and speak to the young Udo, what age would you speak to and what advice would you give when I’m going to play the music, and when it fades, you get that chance to talk to him? It’s the Sermon on the mic.
Udo Erasmus [43:12]
Wow, looking back, I would say to the, to the little Udo that was anxious and worried and confused and a loner, I would say everything is okay. As never, ever, anything wrong with you. Even though you have you’ve had bad feelings and bad ideas and then bad talking about that bad actions that had bad consequences. That is nothing you are not the consequences. You are not the actions you are not the words you are not the thoughts. You are not the feeling you Our life there has never, ever will never, ever can never ever be anything wrong with life. Do what you can to live your life in touch with life. Yeah,
David Ralph [44:15]
powerful stuff. Udo what’s the best way that our audience can connect with you sir?
Udo Erasmus [44:22]
I have a website, Udo Erasmus calm. And I’m on on the internet on social media quite a bit Facebook and Instagram. I also have a website called kudos, choice, calm and pretty much. That’s where you can find me. We have two books one is I have a book called fats that heal fats that kill that was the book out of which the oil industry the oil industry of making us with health and mine came. And the book that I’m that’s the overview of the big project is called the book on total sexy health. The eight key parts designed by nature
David Ralph [45:03]
will have over links on the show notes for easy access to odo thank you so much for spending time with us today joining those dots. And please come back again when you’ve got not dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Udo Erasmus. Thank you so much.
Udo Erasmus [45:23]
Awesome. Awesome. What a great interview. I love what you’re doing. It’s so cool.
David Ralph [45:30]
Udo Erasmus, the founder of the healthy fats movement. Yeah, there was um, you know, I could see his point, a lot of that, but I could also see that so many people would say no, I don’t agree with that, you know, I’m not rich. It’s kind of easy to say it when you are rich and you’ve got money, but if you haven’t, but do you need money to feel rich? It’s two ways, isn’t it? You know, once again, if you’re on an island and you’ve just got the ability to support yourself, and There’s no no mortgages there’s no jobs, there’s no pressure you probably would feel rich. It’s interesting what let us know what you think about that. I’d love to know. You don’t get an awful lot of feedback on podcasts you get back we rarely get feedback on podcast so if you enjoyed that drop us a line at Join Up email@example.com and tell us Do you believe Udo is right that we are all rich all the time. Until next time, am I thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for Udo and I’ve got another hundred thousand podcast episodes to bring you. See you later. Bye bye.
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