Wesley Chapman: THE HUMAN PROJECT Founder Interview

Wesley Chapman Joins Us On The Steve Jobs Inspired Join Up Dots Podcast 

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Introducing Wesley Chapman

Wesley Chapman is today’s guest, joining us on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview.

Wesley is a man who has a desire to give back to the world and empower the youth of today.

For the ages of 11 to 17 he is creating a movement to assist, support and empower young individuals.

Youngsters that are living or have experienced issues in their personal lives.

Situations that are quite simply too horrible for the majority of us to understand.

Abuse, both mental and physical, the stripping away of self esteem, the taking away of bright futures that should be a child’s right.

Leaving many with no other option than to feel they have to take their own lives.

He understands how they feel, as for many years he was just like them.

Trapped in a dark world as a child, that no child should endure.

Memories of trips to the circus, visits to the park, or just fun and free moments which all children should savour not being something that he can look back at.

He tried to take his own life many, many times, and thank god he didn’t succeed, as he is now fighting back.

His entrepreneurial journey has led him through many different dots, and its the joining of his dots that are so remarkable.

How The Dots Joined Up For Wesley Chapman

Remarkable as with each step he has taken into the light.

Wesley Chapmans’s own personal light is burning brighter and brighter and now with his Human Project he is blazing a path for millions to follow.

As Wesley says on his bog “I work daily to spread the message of HUMAN, HOPE, UNDERSTANDING, MAKING A CHOICE, ACTION STEP.

I also try to NOURISH THE POSSIBILITIES.

I work with you if you are looking for new hope and a new path.

Youngsters that refuse to let their surroundings dictate their outcome.

Youth that want to become more than they are shown, told, or given the resources to become.

Youth that are willing to take action and make choices that their parents were not able to do in their lives.

My mission is to eliminate the words, “broken”, “worthless” and “victim” from their children’s vocabulary we reach.

I speak all over the United States to children them on their REAL options in life.

Informing them that all they must do is dream, act and nurture the possibilities to achieve ultimate joy.”

Before I have even spoken a word to todays guest, I can say that he is a total inspiration to me.

So it’s with a huge honour that I bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Wesley Chapman.

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Intro
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph

David Ralph
Yes, hello there. Good morning, world. Welcome to Episode 161. of join up dots. We have got a man on today who is quite simply an inspiration to me. He is a man who has a desire to give back to the world and empower the youth of today. But the ages of 11 to 17. He is creating a movement to assist support and empower young individuals that are living or have experienced issues in their personal lives that are quite simply too horrible for the majority of us to understand abuse both mental and physical, the stripping away of self steam, but taking away a bright futures that should be a challenge right? leaving many with no other option Ben to build by have to take their own lives. Now he understands how they feel as for many years, he was just like them trapped in a dark world as a child. But no child should injure memories of trips to the circus visits to the park, or just fallen free moments which all children should savor, not something that he can truly look back at. He tried to take his own life many, many times. And thank God he didn’t succeed as he is now fighting back. In fact, he’s been fighting back for quite a while. His entrepreneurial journey has led him through many different dots. And it’s the joining of these dots that are so remarkable. Remarkable as we each step he’s taken into the light, his own personal light is Burning brighter and brighter. And now with the human project, he’s blazing a path of millions to follow. As he says on his blog, I work daily to spread the message of human hope understanding, making a choice, action steps, and nourishing the possibilities of work youth who are looking for new hope and a new path. youth that refuse to let their surroundings dictate the outcome, you want to become more than they have shown, told or given the resources to become youth that are willing to take action and make choices, their parents were not able to do it in their lives. My mission is to eliminate the words broken, worthless and victim from the children’s vocabulary we reach. And I speak to kids all over the United States, educating them on their real options in life, informing them, but all they must do is dream, act and nurture the possibilities to achieve ultimate joy. So as I said at the beginning, before I’ve even spoken a word to today’s guest, I can say that he’s a total inspiration to me. And so it’s with huge honor to bring onto the show to start joining up dots. But one and only Wesley Chapman. How are you Wesley?

Wesley Chapman
I’m doing fantastic. And I just want to keep you know, just let you do this show. That’s great. You know that I am honored that the things that you’ve said, I feel humbled and privileged to, to have that kind of an intro. Honestly, you’re, I think the 300 and 17th interview I’ve done this year, and that has got to be one of the most humbling and intros I’ve ever had. So I’m kind of in shock right now of how humbled I am that you showed me that way. So thank you very much. I’m honored.

David Ralph
Not at all, I am honestly honored to have you on the show, sir. Because I’ve been doing some investigation about you. And there is, you know, I promise, it’s all lies. from the word go, I’m not going to drag you through your childhood, like so many people probably have, because I watched a video that you made. And I will put it on the show notes. So if anybody wants to get an understanding of what Wesley Chapman unfortunately had to go through as a kid, you can go on the show notes, and you can watch this video. But as a father of five, I was literally in tears, I was choked up watching it. So the fact that you are doing such amazing work, when I imagine so many people who have gone through similar things continue that kind of abuse, because it’s the only way they know is testament to you. So I’m not going to talk about your childhood as such, but are you aware that it’s a different spin that you’re putting on to it, but so many people follow through on? You know,

Wesley Chapman
honestly, when that when I started this journey, and I started telling my story, and I started, you know, just putting it out there, I had no idea, you know, my, and I think that’s what happens that we all create our own realities, we all create our own perspectives of our situations of life of the world of all these different things. And then of course, the ultimate fight is for every you know, everybody wants everybody to see reality, the way that they see it, they want everyone to see the world the way that they see it. And then that’s where we get into battles and arguments and everything else. But for me personally, I really didn’t have a realization of how I was taking my story, and taking my life and implementing it in the way that I was to me it was, quote unquote, normal to me, it was the only option. There wasn’t another option. And so I think it was it. Now, of course, I understand that, you know, that’s been out there. And I’ve been doing this for six or seven, well, seven or eight years now, you know, now that I’ve been doing this repetitively, and I’m doing all of the interviewing and talking and working with the youth, now I’m realizing it, but still, to me, it’s it’s the only option. You know, and I guess I mean that very firmly, I have a saying, and I speak with the youth that in any situation in life, whether it’s you stub your toe, or you’re dealing with abuse, any situation in life, you only have two options, you can either be a victim, or a hero. And when you understand that, you also realize that every hero had to be a hero to themselves, before they could save the world. And so and victims only go as far as victims, meaning it doesn’t, they don’t go any further than themselves. So if you want to be a part of a community, a part of a part of the world, if you want to change the world, if you want to add to the world, then you’ve already chosen that you’re going to have to go down the path of being a hero. You know, a victim is a very lonely path. And it’s, I feel very, very sorry, is the wrong word, I just want to reach out to individuals that have left themselves in a victim role in a victim mentality, because they’re just allowing the same action, whether it’s the stubbing of the toe, or the abuse, to continue to control them. And so in my, my perspective, and my reality, if you really want to, you know, look at life and all of these different things, you can only look at it in two direction. And it makes it a lot simpler. It really does like simplifies it makes it you know, this is this is it, I can either be a victim or a hero, what am I going to choose, I choose hero, okay, here’s the action steps I need to take to make that happen.

David Ralph
But but the fascinating thing about you, and there’s there’s two things, you know, I will hop back to that video, because it seemed to me when you was telling your story, and like I say, it almost brought me to tears, was the fact that you just seem dead to it. It was just content to you now, it was almost like you detached yourself from that person. Do you feel that? Actually? Do you feel that that was a part of your life that really almost happened to somebody else?

Wesley Chapman
That’s a really interesting perspective. And I did a video when I first started the journey with a human project, where I was sitting next to the beach, and I was in my you know, I was in my suit jacket. And I was just kind of telling, telling my story very similar to the video that you’re alluding to my founders video. And I was telling the story, and I had some people say, you know, Wes, I know you, I know what you’ve been through, you’ve been a part of my life. But if I’d never met you and I watched that video, I wouldn’t believe what you went through. It was almost like there was there was so much non emotion and what you were saying that I couldn’t believe it was like you scripted, it was a story. It wasn’t reality. And that kind of hit me. And I sat there for minute. And I thought, Yeah, because it’s not controlling me right now. So it is a story it is it’s it’s not any different than somebody who’s written, you know, writes out a, I don’t want to say a fairy tale, but somebody who’s written out something that happened years and years and years ago, and they don’t remember, you know, the quote, unquote, the pain of like breaking your leg. Like if you tell somebody a story about breaking your leg, I’m sure there’s different elements of that story that are still kind of pain points, and maybe whatever. But you’re not sitting there dwelling on the broken leg and crying again, and being like, Oh, my gosh, they’re going to reset it. I mean, you get over it, you move past it. And that was kind of this debate that I had, at, you know, where it was like, Here I am, I’m going through this, I’ve gone through this childhood experience, I made a decision when I was 16 years old, to move past it and not let it control me anymore, which obviously still, you know, there’s still lingering effects from that. But I wasn’t going to dwell on it as a negative. So if you want to ask me, and this is this is what I feel makes our projects so unique is if you want to ask me about a specific event, or you want me to go and indeed tell about an event I can. I’m not terrified of it. It doesn’t control me, it doesn’t scare me. I sit with the youth and I’ll get very detailed about the things that I went through, not because it’s was me, you know, victim mentality. But it is a understanding, I understand who you are as a child I’ve been there I can relate to you. It’s okay to talk about it. It’s you don’t need to be ashamed of it, all these different things. So I reshot the video, the video that you You’re now you’ve now seen, and it’s our our founders video, it’s gone viral. It’s a very powerful video. There’s some really cool things about that video, I was never intending to make that video actually. God, my fiance, took our children and went and got ice cream took our two kids went got ice cream. And I said, Hey, while you guys are out for ice cream, I’m going to sit down and I’m gonna record a video about how a human project works and just make this little kind of like tutorial video, how everything’s working. And she said, Great. And I’m a very religious guy sat down. And before I started filming, I said a quick little prayer and just said, Hey, you know, make sure that whatever I say is what needs to be said, and, you know, whatever. Got my, we have a little studio here in our home, and I got the studio all set up, and I hit record and I sat down on the chair, and the video that you, you know, that you’re talking about was filmed in one shake. That was it. And I didn’t really understand why I was spewing out those words and telling that story. It’s it’s never been recorded before the thousands of interviews that I’ve done over the last seven or eight years. I’ve never told the story in that way. And I got done. And I was like, I don’t know where that came from, but I gotta redo it. And then of course, kids came home, everybody was home. And I was like, well, it’s late. I’ll do it later. And God came and watch the video. And she was like, honey, that’s it, that that explains everything. And I watched it again. And I was just like, wow, like, it wasn’t just me. You know, it was myself story. Don’t get me wrong. It’s of course, it’s my story. But I was it was it was very eloquently put out there in a way that was just so real. It’s raw, it’s organic. And it’s really how I feel about those elements of my story. And so when you say it just kind of comes out there. It’s because I feel it, I understand it. But it’s it is a part of me. But it’s a part of me that i’ve i’ve I don’t want to say move past from it’s the wrong word, but I have understood is a part of me. But it’s not what defines me. It’s not what makes me who I am. It’s simply has refined me into who I have become.

David Ralph
I’ll tell you what happened with me, Wesley Chapman, when I was watching that video, and I stumbled across it, it wasn’t something I was consciously looking for. And I stumbled across it. And I saw if it was like 20 minutes or something, I probably wouldn’t have clicked play. But it was something like six minutes or eight minutes or something like that. And I thought, okay, I’ll watch this. And because it was the lack of emotion from you, just struck me like a hammer blow. It was just this man who was burning bright and bringing such brilliance into the world. But when he was talking about this, as I said before, it was just like he was dead. But I had this emotion, but I felt guilty. But my life has been so wonderful. I’ve had a lovely childhood, and my kids are having a lovely childhood. And it’s almost like I didn’t kind of realize, although I did because I’m an adult, and I know these things go on. But this kind of stuff was going on. And I felt guilty that I hadn’t experienced any of it. Does that make sense?

Wesley Chapman
It totally does. And, you know, and again, the emotion of, of telling your story. And in any storyteller will tell you this is that? Well, I guess it depends there are two different ways there’s those that that stay with the victim mentality and state and wants you to feel their pain, and wants you to experience that pain, because that’s how they’re going to connect with the audience, right. And there’s nothing against that. And then there’s those that tell you the story in a power place of like, this is what happened, but this is who I am. And this is where I’m going. And it invokes whatever and with by doing it that way. And when when you study storytelling, and you study stage presence and all this stuff, and I’ve been trained by some of the really, really amazing people in that arena. When you study that, it gives the audience the ability to interpret your story in their own way, which actually creates a stronger, you know, a stronger bond, you’re, you’re, you’re hearing that and thinking one way I’ve had other people tell me that they see me tell the story. And I’m in such power, and I’m in such a place where they feel comfortable, that they can come and talk to me about their story because they want their story to be in that type of a spot. They don’t want it to be that every time somebody says Tell me about your childhood, they instantly, you know, go into tears, or they go into anger, or they feel these pain, they want to feel like I can tell you about my story of my childhood because I’ve moved past that part, you know, you know, for a play on your on your show, there’s they’re tired of the dots, right? Can in the past, not being joined not being, you know, a flow there, it’s controlling them, they can’t get past it, they can’t connect the dots of their life, because they’re still stuck in one dot, you know, when they were eight years old. And they can’t move past that, and they can’t move forward through life. And so it’s just different, just gives different things and different impressions and different, you know, different ideas inside of somebody’s mind. And, and the power fullness of it is the realness of it. You know, I mean, and that’s what we teach the youth is that your story should not be something you’re ashamed of. I mean, for those that have been abused, or her or victim or whatever, they should not be ashamed of that. Because there that’s not something they were in control of. But it’s a really weird paradigm for anybody who hasn’t been through abuse. When you step out, when you look at somebody who’s being abused, you know, like, maybe in your situation, you’re like, why didn’t you just get out? Why didn’t you just, you know, like a battered wife, right? Like, why don’t you just get out Why? or Why are you still dealing with that? In all, all abuse has this in common, whether it’s physical, mental, sexual, whatever it is, it all has this in common. The person that’s being abused, feels shame. It’s their fault. They’re the reason that they’re getting hit. They’re the reason they’re getting molested. They’re the reason they’re going through this, it’s them, it’s them, it’s them. And that’s so hard for people who have not been in that situation to understand and I caution you to judge, because I it’s just a proven psychological thing. That’s why abuse happens. Because if you lose your power, you lose your identity, and you actually the crime, the abuse becomes part of your identity. And that’s very unhealthy. And that’s why you have women and children and all and men and all these different things that stay in these abusive situations because it becomes their identity. And until somebody comes in and says, Hey, not that, hey, it’s wrong, you shouldn’t be living this kind of life. This is wrong, you know, duh. But when they, when they come in, and they say, Hey, I totally understand what you’re going through. It’s so painful, what you’re enduring, but I want I tell you something, you’re not alone. It’s okay. And I’m proof, let me tell you my story. And let me tell you what I went through. So you can understand that you can, you do not have to live this life, when you make that simple adjustment in your language, then the person feels like, Okay, this is somebody that I can come to somebody I can trust, and then eventually, they can actually come out of their abuse, and they can start seeing it, like, quote, unquote, the rest of us do, where it’s like, this isn’t where I should be. And for me, I mean, my last sexual abuse experience happened, you know, when I was probably six and a half, six, six and a half, somewhere in there. But I, I allowed that abuse to continue to control me and literally control me until I was in till I was 16 years old. And so I hadn’t been touched again, physically, in that way, I was mentally abused by another individual till I was about 1819. But physically, I wasn’t abused. From let’s just say, age six to age 16. So 10 years, but I still allowed that to control me. And so that’s something that that’s the, that’s the real damage. It’s just like your leg, right? If you broke your leg, and every time you went and tried to walk, you reminded yourself of breaking your leg. So you stopped walking, it’s like your leg is healed, it fixed itself, you know, the doctors took care of it, you know, but you won’t walk on it, because you broke it once before, and how you know, you don’t want to try again, because it might hurt you. That’s where the real damage starts happening. Well, let’s

David Ralph
step into the light, let’s come out of the darkness. Because while I spent so much time in the introduction, reading your words, was not only are they so powerful, but join up dots is all about inspiring people to take control of their lives. And the majority of my listeners are people who, quote unquote, should be able to take control of their lives, they are in jobs, they’re in relationships, nothing too bad happening, nothing too good to happen there in contentment zone. And when I was reading, but you were saying that the words of youth that want to become more than they are shown, told or given the resources to become a thought, Wow, that is my target audience. My target target audience are people that are pretty much told. But once they’ve gone through education, they got to get a job, just get a job. And it isn’t, you know, do do what’s right for you do what’s in your heart, follow your passions, it’s just get a job. But you’re saying to people who really are at a lower level emotionally, because I have had these dark times in their life, that they can really make a go of it. And I think it kind of ashamed, all of us. But most of us who haven’t got all the opportunities in the world to go forward and grab the dream life, I’ll actually stuck, where you are giving hope to people who are at lower rungs in the ladder emotionally, especially hoes, and really given them the power to go forward to it. And I read that and I thought we really should be ashamed, we should all be taking control. And we should not be told that we can’t, we should be told that we can all the time.

Wesley Chapman
Yeah, and and I want to, I want to bring up something because I think it’s very relevant it something called the Elmo effect. And it has to do with and usually I talk about it in the in an abuse scenario. Now after years and years, I’ve been teaching this for about 1617 years. And now finally, science has backed backing this up, I didn’t have the labs to do it. But you know, Stanford University and Harvard did it. So thank you for doing it. But it’s the concept that the human mind, we want to put levels on things right, and you kind of just did there. And I’m not not saying anything negative against it, I’m just saying that it’s just human nature, we want to say that, you know, XYZ person has XYZ opportunities. So the results should be x, y, z, or we want to say, you know, sexual abuse is so much more painful and so much more difficult than somebody who is physically abused or emotionally abused. And I’ve always said, That’s wrong. I’ve always said that the brain does not compute different levels of abuse on a psychological developmental level, abuse is abuse, neglect, is neglect, programming is programming. And that the brain, yes, there are certain receptors that like if you, if you’re sexually abused, or physically abused, it’s going to feel different, it’s going to be a different feeling physically, but emotionally, and psychologically, the developments going to be the same. And so now that’s been proven, there’s all kinds of studies now that have come out there about that, actually, the worst type of abuse, you know, for the brain is, is neglect, it’s the concept of not being shown faith not being shown love and being shown a direction as the only direction, that’s neglect, in in a simplistic form. So when you’re talking to your audience, and they’re saying, I went to college with all this, I’m supposed to do this, this and this, that is a form of neglect, meaning that their passion, their love, their ideas, their strategies, their concepts have not been paid attention to. And when we can say that we can understand a child who’s six years old, or four years old, or 12 years old, or whatever, who has been physically abused, we can say to them, we totally get that you quote unquote, are going to have a harder life that you quote, unquote, you know, you’ve got some, I don’t want to use the word excuses. But for the, for the course of this analogy, you’ve got some excuses as to being, you know, XYZ. But this person over here, who’s had all the money, had all the love had all the support had all this and that they have no excuses, and they should go to college and get a job to the brain. It’s the exact same effect. And what that is, is why I call it the Elmo effect is that I use an analogy that you know, there could be something in your past as simple as your, you know, your seven, your seven year old, your seven year old birthday. It’s arguably like the first birthday that most people can remember with vividness, you know what they wanted, all that kind of stuff. So your seven year old birthday, all you wanted is an Elmo doll. And you spent six months telling your parents so that’s what you want, and your grandparents, your friends, everything. And your birthday comes around, and you get a bike and a new laptop, and an iPad and a new Xbox. And, you know, you get all this stuff, right? Like, and I’m exaggerating it, but you get all this stuff, but you don’t get an Elmo doll that can literally leave a scar in your life. And I’m not making that as an excuse. It’s not whatever. But it still is something that if that affects your brain and affects your pattern of development. And, and I’ve met several people where we’ve gone through different things, and we find out that something that’s holding them back is as simple as an Elmo doll. And so that’s what the effect is. So when to your point to your audience, when they’ve been told, and I hear this all the time, and it drives me nuts. Oh, go college. That’s your thing. But I really want to be a pianist. I don’t care. There’s no money in it. You know, you need to go do this. But I really want to do this, I have this idea. I have this invention, I have this thing. That’s okay, you got to go to college. That is neglect because you’re neglecting the person’s true passion and true love and true thing. It’s not a negative thing against parenting or people are horrible. It’s not about that. But it’s understanding that it does create this handicap, it does create this emotional barrier where people then develop fears, they develop shame. They develop you know, non trust, they don’t have it in themselves. So now we have this industry of self help, who says go find your passion, go live your purpose, be on fire, do all these things, which is all great messaging. But the core of the problem isn’t that people have a hard time figuring out what their passions are, what their purposes, what they’re having a hard connection with joining the dots, right? They’re having a hard time joining the dots to is how is my passion going to make me the same type of money as if I were to go and do this college education. That’s fine. Well,

David Ralph
that’s absolutely happen.

Wesley Chapman
And what we hear over and over and over again from guys like Richard Branson, Gary Vaynerchuck, or Chris Ducker, John Lee Dumas, anybody, any any level of person is that they said, You know, I don’t know what I can say on on your show, but Screw it, you know, they said, screw it. I’m just going to go live my passion. And hopefully the Money Follows and what an amazing journey. It’s been for every one of those people who’ve been in line with their passion, their life, their mission, what they want to do, and look at. I mean, those are the most wealthy people on the planet, both monetarily, spiritually, physically, emotionally, those are people who have prospered at such a level, that we all try to obtain that type of wealth. And I’m not just talking monetarily, but we all want that. And, and everybody has it in different levels, I can tell you right now running a human project, I am making the least amount of money I’ve ever made in my life. And obviously, that’s not our that’s not our intention. And I have a whole thing on that. But right now, we’re making the least amount of money that I’ve ever made in my career. But I’ve never been happier. I’ve never been freer. I’ve never been more on point. I’ve never been living life at the level I’ve been living it. And and everybody’s like, Oh, you’re so amazing what you’re doing. And I just kind of sit back and I’m like, you know, I’m so happy that it’s amazing what I’m doing. Because what it’s giving me I feel is it’s almost, it’s almost not fair. It’s almost not fair that I get to do the things that I get to do because I enjoy it to that level. That it’s it just feels like if I don’t know it, it feels like I’m at Disneyland all the time. Except I’m doing what I you know, I’m doing a job. I’m doing this mission. I’m doing these things, but to me, it’s living on point. It’s living on purpose. And if you ask anybody, if you ask Richard Branson, if you ask Joe Messina, if you ask john Lee Dumas, if you ask any of these guys, they’re going to give you the same answer. It’s like, yeah, I work, but I love what I do. And but it’s the fear. It’s that initial psychological development wherever it happened in your life, whether societal or parental.

David Ralph
Were getting a degree going to college doing the thing you’re supposed to do. That’s what you’re supposed to do. And if you can’t live your passion and live your dream and do what you want to do, and it doesn’t equal monetarily, the same as your four or 12 year degree, then you are not an asset to society. And that fear, that’s what stops you. It’s not living your dream. It’s not knowing what your passion is. It’s the fear of disappointing and being in living in a world of shame for your societal or parental upbringing. I hope that makes sense. It does. It makes total sense. And it was fascinating because as you were saying, at the moment, you are earning less than you’ve ever done. I was thinking yeah, some I absolutely on this journey. I am on I love every second of doing what I’m doing. I love the feedback that’s coming back to me. And actually monetary wise, I say this a lot on the show because I don’t want people to think that I’m after the money. It’s the value is the process which x science me more than anything else. So we’ve yourself we’ve your human project, a human project. Well, why is it a human project and not human project? Somebody else had that today?

Wesley Chapman
Yeah, so human project, we’re actually in the process of getting that. So when, when there’s a whole long story of how a human project started, I actually created the brand in January, and we started the company in April. And there was no correlation. It’s a crazy story. I was literally driving down the freeway, and I saw this brand in my head. It was like a vision. It was weird. It was crazy. I went home that night, I laid it all out. I designed it, I designed a website, I designed everything. It just flowed out to me, it was a crazy, crazy experience. And then it just sat there and I had no idea why I did it. And then in April, it all came together. So when I bought the domain, it was literally just kind of like a, it was a pet project. It was like something I was doing. And I had no idea why. And now of course, it’s blossomed into a thing. So it we’re in the process of getting all the domains, but a human project, instead of just being human project, you know, the does just add a little bit of flair to it and the branding. So it’ll always be called human project. But we’ll be buying up all the domains as we as we move along. So if you’re going to try to outbid me It’s too late. We started the process. So

David Ralph
now really believe me join up dots is my one and I’m sticking to it. So yeah, so the question really is, for those guys out there that are listening to the content, and they’re listening to your conversation, my conversation, and all the different shows out there that pretty much do touch on the same thing of Find your passion, provide value to the world, and then you will make money on it. Do you think that really is true? Or are we selling a dream to these guys? are we selling something? But actually, there’s so many nuts and bolts, twists and turns that it’s damn sight more difficult, man? The self development guys are making out? Oh, 100% 100%.

Wesley Chapman
I mean, it’s like medical school or law school, right? I mean, I went into and I was going to actually be a lawyer. And I remember going to law school and just being enamored, right, like, Oh, this is where I want to be like, yes, I’m an awesome debater. I love to, you know, prove my point. And I love statistics. I love science. And I love math. So this is like, this is where I’m just going to thrive. And the whole I used to watch Matlock. Matlock when I was growing up, and it was just a fun show, and I loved watching law and order. And I mean, it was I guess you could say I was kind of an odd duck in that regard. I just loved that whole industry. So I went to the University. And I was, that’s where I was enrolling, I was going to go, I went to one of the best law schools in the country. And I saw all the prettiness of it. And then something just told me and said, Hey, why don’t you go meet a law student, a second year law student, and ask if you can spend a day with them. And so I did. And I went, and I spent the day with them. And and it was was, it was horrible. I mean, I’m not gonna lie, it was, you know, they spent 12 hours in a basement library with a shower and a little tiny kind of makeshift cafeteria, they were reading books, they were going through this process, they were just going and just, you know, just going through all this stuff, writing this, these reports, these thesis, they were staying up, they were researching. And I was like, wait a minute, I just wanted to wear really cool suits and argue with people. Like I didn’t, I didn’t realize that there was all of this, you know, and in it, it kind of opened my eyes a little bit. But now the guy that was given me the tour of the law school, he couldn’t, couldn’t give me that tour, right? Because I wouldn’t buy the product, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t enroll myself into the three, four years that it takes to become a lawyer post getting you know, your, your prerequisites. And so it just couldn’t sell it. So same thing happens in the motivational world, these podcasts and I try always to say, look, this is the reality of the situation. But I will tell you that if I would have stuck it out, and it was my passion to be a lawyer, right? That the the three to four or five year journey, it, it would have been well worth it. For me. Just looking at my life, my my turmoil of life was 18 years. And you know, and I’ve gone through some crazy things in my adult life, you know, some things that have obviously been from, from my childhood, all that, but the actual journey, the education, the University was 18 years, I hope to live to at least my 80s If not, you know, into 100. So let’s just say 100, for math sake, it’s 82 years of my life, that I get to live and experience and explore for 18 years of education. I don’t think it’s a too high of a price to pay. But I never when we’re talking about people, living their dreams and finding their passions and just find your passion and all the sudden you’ll make all this money, we do an immense disservice by not telling them two things. Number one, when you find your passion, and when you decide to go down that journey, it will single handedly be one of the most terrifying, the most non rewarding, the most up and down experience you’ve ever gone through in your life. But once you get through that period of time, and you continue focused on your mission, and on your purpose, nothing, nothing can compare to the joy and the happiness and the reward and the fulfillment and the change and the everything else that it will give you nothing. But so many people are sold that it’s just this easy ride across the bay, it’s no big deal. It’s awesome. Within 18 months, these things will happen and it’s just nothing’s going to nothing’s going to be brighter than that. That’s where we do the disservice. Because when they have one little hiccup, one little thing in the road, it’s like, well, this is what I was sold. This isn’t what I was, you know, told it was going to be. And they and they literally, you know, they literally become terrified, and they stop the journey. And they don’t even know what the reward would be. I mean, you’re in the podcasting world john Lee Dumas, you know, everybody looks at him and says, Oh my gosh, if I could be making $280,000 a month, you know, and he’s only he’s done it in less than two years. That’s amazing. But look, the reality of it is, is that john had a lot of background in structure with his military, he had a lot of corporate experience. He He created an immense plan, he spent months and months planning his launch of his podcast, and he spent months of people not even knowing who he was, you know, but he kept going, he kept being on purpose. He in his words, he kept staying on fire. And now he is where he’s at. But what if he would have been sold a book of goods, you know, that it’s easy, it’s no big deal. And it’s not, you know, just start a podcast and everybody loves you. And it’s, it’s amazing, then he maybe he would have stopped at the seventh or eighth show and what statistic most podcasters don’t get past show seven, most podcasters don’t have more than 188 downloads a month. You know, I mean, those are statistics, those are realities, but those that stick it out like yourself, and you know, we’ve got a podcast is doing very well, those that stick it out and get through those humps and those hurdles and, and put in the hours and put in the blood sweat and tears. They’re the ones that are are seeing the reward. So and that’s just my opinion,

David Ralph
I think that’s a spot on opinion. Now I’m going to play the words of Jim Carrey, because he says it’s so well not find your passion. But take a risk on something that you love. This is Jim Carrey,

Jim Carrey
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. So he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.

David Ralph
So instead of finding your passion, which seems to be an overarching umbrella, is that the true message that we should be saying, but find the things that you love. So it doesn’t actually have to be the first thing that you try that works, is just getting that vibe of trying to be happy while you’re doing something.

Wesley Chapman
Exactly. And I love that and that was from I believe, a graduation speak at a university. And he got some real big backlash from the collegiate world. But the The fact of the matter is, is that 90% of those in today’s work sport, I think it’s it might even be higher than that are going to be fired, let go or transferred from their from their ideal position. You know, it’s some some high number I don’t even remember of people who graduate don’t even use the degree that they graduated in. I mean, I’m not this isn’t a bash on college at all, it has a place. But the line that I love to what he said is that most likely and I’m paraphrasing and adding a few most likely you’re going to fail. So you might as well fail at something you love. And that’s such a true fact. And we’re so scared of failure that we you know, those of us in the success world and move this thing, you know, you see the little quote of like it says what people think success is which is a straight road, what success really is, is you know, zigzagging and all these failures. So we we we try to failures inevitable. And so instead of just saying, look, failure is what it is, it’s it’s a failed experiment, it’s something we thought was going to work and it didn’t work, we try to say that failure is part of the journey of success it is. But at the same time, don’t try to Don’t try to camouflage what failure is failure is failure, you failed. Don’t be afraid of failing. It’s our fear of failure that makes us come up with these excuses as to why why failure is necessary along the journey of success. It’s not necessary. It really isn’t. I know lots of lots of individuals who didn’t fail once and are immensely special successful. It’s not a prerequisite for success. But what it what we have to do as human beings so that we can even attempt the idea of doing something out of the norm or doing something out of our comfort zone is that we have to convince ourselves that failure is just part of that journey. And I caution people to say don’t be Don’t be fearful of failure, it may be part of your journey. It may not be part of your journey, but just understand that it’s a real thing. And most likely, yes, you’re going to make a wrong decision, it’s going to maybe not give you the outcome that you want. It cannot even be deemed as a failure. I mean, some people will say that oh my gosh, you know, going back to my childhood West, your child was such a failure. You didn’t even have things that a normal child should should have been fighting. Oh, yeah. Exactly. You know, your, your parents failed you and all this stuff. And I look at them. And I say, Man, I don’t feel that there was one ounce of failure in my life. Because everything that is me is me because of what I went through. So can I look at that as a failure? No, but and I know I’m getting all philosophical, but I’m just saying that we handicap ourselves by even getting started. And I have a quote that that is one of my I love to do quotes. And I’m not trying to be egotistical, but I love quotes, and that those are just part of who I am. And so what I one of the quotes that that I made for the youth and for some of this stuff is that failure is not the absence of courage. It’s simply the excuse me, fear is not the absence of courage. It’s simply the absence of trying. And it’s not that you don’t have the courage to go out and do it, it’s that you convince yourself that trying is going to be the ultimate, you know, the ultimate down or the ultimate, the reason that you can’t do it and just go out and try it. And as Jim Carrey said, you might as well fail at something you love, then failing at something that you know, that you hate, or that you’re not passionate about,

David Ralph
I set off on this journey. And in my head, I’ve said, I will work for two years without money if I have to. And I’m doing other stuff all around the block, just trying to get enough money in to cover the bills so that it can be a success. And my first month was, and I’ve told the story right at the very beginning. And I look back on it now. And I think hey, what was I worried about? It was only a month. But my first month was an abject failure, I set this show up to an inch of its light, as far as I could see, to come out of the blocks big and not one person was interested, I was scrambling around for downloads. And it just kept on creeping up creeping up creeping up. And it is it’s one of those things, but you look back on it, and you almost forget the effort it took to get there because you’re on the next level. But that next level has its own issues. And you’re working with those. And once you go past that, you kind of forget that that was hard as well. And it’s just that keep on stepping up, stepping up, stepping up, and dealing with the issues that you’re going to find. And so many people will look at you Wesley Chapman and I would look at Richard Branson, I will look at John Lee Dumas because people always quote him as well, as they will think that they’ve got it sorted now. But you haven’t Have you you’ve still got issues on a daily basis is just you’ve got different issues from the ones that you started with.

Wesley Chapman
Exactly. And the issues that you thought were issues are not issues and it creates this, you know, whole thing. So there’s there’s all kinds of elements. And that goes back to how we started this interview about my childhood, and how can I sit there and tell you these things without breaking down into tears. And it’s because that seemed like such a traumatic experience in my life. And it was and don’t get me wrong. But it was part of my journey. And I stepped over it. And I learned from it. And I built on top of it. And I’m moving forward, just as if you could say this. I mean, I know people that sit down with me and tell me their stories. And I’m like, Oh my gosh, your story is insane. Like, I can’t even imagine living what you live through. And then they’ll hear my story. And they’re like, Oh, my gosh, your story is insane. I can’t even imagine living what you live through. And it’s like, Look, we all have stories. But to us our perspective have our story is is only it’s our perspective, it’s our reality. And so when you’re talking about your first month was so horrific and so crazy. And so whatever, now you look back on, and you’re like, Are you kidding me? Like that was Child’s Play, you know, that was a piece of cake. Like, you got to see the issues I’m dealing with now, you know, trying to scale this thing, trying to keep the management trying to figure out how to email people back trying to, you know, we, we always do that the difference, the singular difference between somebody who’s successful, quote, unquote, you know, and I’m using air quotes, and somebody who just gives up is what I said in the very beginning, you can either be a victim of your surroundings, where you can be a hero of your surroundings, you could have easily said in month one, I thought I had this idea. I thought this is where it was going to go, I put all this energy into it, I did all of these things, and it’s quote unquote, failed, it flopped, it didn’t have the outcome that I wanted to have. So I’m done. Hang up the hang up the thing I’m done. Or you do what you did where you said, I’ve learned so much in this first month. I know exactly what I did, how to do it, how to replicate this, this, this, this and this. And now I mean, I think I saw your shows a million downloads?

David Ralph
A million. yesterday.

Wesley Chapman
Yeah. So you just passed a million downloads, you know, yesterday, because why? Because you chose to keep moving forward and to be a hero to yourself. So that now a million people, a million downloads, a million times your show has been heard. And what’s the counter effect of that? Well, maybe that person has shared it with 10 people. So let’s just do a 10 fold. So you got 10 million people that have been influenced by a microphone and a computer. I mean, come on. That’s That’s amazing, amazing results. If nothing else, if nothing else, not one monetary thing, you haven’t made one penny, the impact you’ve made in the world is is 10 million. And, and again, I’m using it as an analogy. It’s not a perfect science. But now all the sudden, now you’re pushing forward. And now what I think it comes down to, and I mean, this very, very real, is you deserve it, you’ve gone through the process, you are now instead of just being gifted success, you are now deserving of success. Why? Because you understand what it really means. And so your your perspective, and your reality of success has shifted. So now you are able you’ve been given the skills you’ve been given the identity, you’ve been given the resources and everything else to understand what success means and how easily it can be taken from you. So you respect it, and you give it you know, you give it what it’s deserving, which then makes it so that your product is even better. And all these different things. I mean, when you go through a bankruptcy or you go through a bad time, and in an economic, you know, depression, you understand how quickly things can change. So what do you start doing, you start saving, you start spending less, well, maybe we don’t need three cars, maybe we just need to maybe we don’t need, you know, that big of a house, maybe we just need this, it changes your perspective. And now all the sudden, which is so crazy as you start prospering so much more. And it’s a crazy evolution of how it all works. But I just believe it comes down to the simple fact is you deserve it. And what I mean by the word deserve is you respect and understand the the, the simplistic ness of what you’ve accomplished, and how easy it can be wiped away, and how easily it can be built back up.

David Ralph
Yeah, I think that’s fascinating. I was sitting there just looking at my own situation and everything you’re saying, I hope it’s going out to the audience as well. And the listeners are gaining but nuggets was the sharing. But I was just listening and thinking about my own situation. And it’s absolutely true. When I started getting the show going in the early days, it was just to get it going. But now I yeah, I become very precious about it. And I do respect it. And I had people coming to me going, I want to be on the show and I look at them a big No, no, you’re not Why? Because it’s become something that is so much more than me. And it’s something that is providing light and inspiration and education and hopefully entertainment on a daily basis to so many people. And you do you suddenly realize, but it’s not something to be messed around with. And it’s something but it must be like, I don’t know, like somebody’s doing a sculpture or something. And they’re chipping away at this block. And then they get to the shape. And then it gets perfect. And do like keep on chipping away with it or do they kind of been just put their arms around it and protect it and respect what they’ve actually done. What you think about that was like,

Wesley Chapman
Yeah, and I think that what you just said is, it’s the refiners fire, any great piece of art, any great piece of anything, has to go through a process of development of refinement. And as humans, we want our past to define us, we want our situations to define us meaning, this was why this is where I came from economically. So this is how I’m defined. This is my race. This is where you know this, this is my lineage. So this is how I’m defined. This is where I came from, you know, geographically, so this is how I’m defined. And I warn people about that, because it’s a very dangerous mentality. And, and human beings are really the only ones that play in that game. And yet we create everything, everything, we create art, masterpieces, technology, anything goes through a refinement situation, we’re refining the iPhone, every year, we’re creating something better. We’re refining cars, every year, we’re creating something better. We’re, we’re refining art every year, we’re creating, you know, different pieces of art and more refined pieces of art with different messaging. But yet, when we look at our own lives, we want to just say, Well, I’m defined by x, y, z. And so my quote with that, and my principle with that is your past does not define you, your situations do not define you, your past will refine you, and your situations give you the fire of refinement. And so when you think of it, that we are nothing different than a an amazing sculpture, or an amazing piece of art, except for the benefit we have is that as you said, once it’s chiseled and done, it’s done. We’re never done. We just constantly have the ability to become grander, and grander and grander, and become more intelligent, more amazing. You know, we just get that ability. And for people who say I want to be defined by action, you know, XYZ, those are people who stay in those those moments. I mean, Richard Branson is not defined by virgin air. That’s not his defining moment. It has refined him so that he has the ability to do XYZ, Gary van der Chuck is not been defined by wine TV, it’s refined him into what he has become. JOHN Lee Dumas will not be defined by only a podcast, I’m sure it will refine him and will watch his journey to continue over the next 10 years. And I’m just using these as examples for relevance. Look at your own life. Are you defined by a four year education? Or you defined by where you grew up? Are you defined by your parents status? Are you defined by all these things? No. Those are elements that refine you and you continually keep growing, you continually keep going. And those things that creates ultimate success, ultimate prosperity, ultimate dreams, purpose, passion, but it’s that we have a success, we have an element and we say, Aha, that’s what’s going to define me. That’s who I am. That’s where I’m going, we get stuck in that mentality. And and then honestly, that’s when we do become, you know, the David right. It’s just where this chiseled piece of Marvel, that’s all we’re going to be. And that’s it. And then, you know, we’re paraded around the world is this old piece of marble that was made years ago? And look at it, isn’t it great? And then everybody else is kind of like, yeah, I’ve seen it, done it, whatever. You know, we’ve seen that 1000 times. So then we do become something you know, maybe we do become great or whatever, but we’re just a stagnant, great, how does that make sense?

Wesley Chapman
It makes total sense. We want a journey, we want a journey, and every moment refines us to the point where we are now. Now, we could say that they’re the dotted line. Other people might say they’re the scars of life. But it still is the learning points all the way through where we stopped, we assess and we improve, and we carry on moving on. And Steve Jobs said that amazingly. And I’m going to play the words now because it’s a different spin on what we’re talking about. But it’s so important as well, this is Steve Jobs.

Steve Jobs
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards. 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.

David Ralph
But you will Wesley Chapman, I wouldn’t say is off the well worn path but you are definitely creating your own path. Is the did those words inspire you? Or do you find their kind of almost hokey spiritual side sort of annoying?

Wesley Chapman
Now you you brought up the jobs man, he’s he’s one of the most inspiring human beings on the planet. And he like he didn’t do everything right. And we could debate his personal character all day long, but what he did for the world and what he did with his vision, and his passion, and his idea is brilliant. And it’s very replicable, very replicable. I think I think Apple is probably one of the most replicable companies on the planet, because they did everything in such a real way. You know, there, there are a lot of companies that you know, were gifted a lot of money or fell into lock or whatever else. When you really study the history of Apple, they made some atrocious decisions. I mean, there was some there was some horrible backstabbing, that happened to Steve Jobs, probably because, you know, arguably, maybe some of his character flaws. There was a a lot of things that happened in that company. But what did Steve do? He continually stayed on course, sacrificing everything. I don’t agree with that he probably sacrifice too much. But we have to understand and learn and not not judge. But he kept, you know, on purpose moving, moving forward. And what advice he’s actually giving, when you really analyze a lot of Steve Jobs, quotes and advice is he’s giving you about 80% of what he did. And then he’s giving you 20% of what he wishes he would have done, meaning, stay focused, stay on, stay on point, stay forward, understanding that, but hey, go down the maybe the well worn path, instead of creating your own path, it’s a little easier when you’re going through the jungle, to maybe follow a few people who’ve already figured out how to get through it and maybe create different ideas of that path than just trying to be this egotistical I can handle it, I’m just gonna blow through the jungle my own way. That was the early years of Steven. And people say that about Apple, they say Apple never reinvents anything, all they do is just make things better. Or all they do is just put a spin on, you know, things that everybody else has already been doing. Isn’t that the brilliance of success? Isn’t that the brilliance of life, it’s that in the first half of Apple’s history, it was all about creating what had never been created before. And they’re going to push through it, they’re going to do things and and they took their lumps by doing that. The second version of Apple was, we’re going to let people create things and see how they fail. And then we’re going to go down the well beaten path. And we’re just going to make it the path a little shiny or a little cooler. So a little more

David Ralph
refinement again.

Wesley Chapman
Exactly. And so but when you listen to Steve’s quotes 80% of what he did 20% of what he wished he would have done and what he started to do, and look at the look at the legacy of apple. I mean, everybody’s complaining about the Apple Watch and saying, oh, there’s so many couple companies have already had a risk watch that does all that. Yeah, but look what Apple’s done to refine it just a little bit more. So it makes a little bit more sense. And it’s a little bit more customizable. That’s been the number one thing about the smartwatch is, is that they don’t they don’t match your outfit. Well, Apple took care of that. You know, so if anything else Apple is said, Alright, we’re going to give you a watch, that’s personal. That gives you a personal flair. None of the other smart watches have that option. It’s a simple little thing. It’s a simple refinement, that now may make it the number one selling, you know, watch on on the market. I don’t know, I’m just using as an example. But I love words like that. And I think that we should all cherish words like that. Because when somebody is willing to stand up and say, This is what I did, this is how I got here. But hey, maybe think about going over here because I sure wish I did. I wouldn’t wish my my childhood on any child in the world ever, ever. No way. You know, but I would also caution everybody that hasn’t had my type of childhood or hasn’t had some kind of refinement, that they need to find their own way of working, finding themselves and letting themselves accept, you know, some refinement, because it’s going to make their life so much better. We’re never our true greatest selves. If we don’t go through a little bit of turmoil will never know who we are. If we don’t put ourselves in some situations that terrify us, we will never know what greatness is inside of us. If we just stay comfortable. We have no idea what our potential is no idea. It’ll never happen. So if you’ve got a listener who’s sitting there saying I’m just I don’t know, I just don’t want to do it. I’m comfortable, everything’s great, but I’m not happy. De De De. Listen, there is greatness, as Les Brown says there is greatness inside of you, there is something inside of you that is ready to take on the world and ready to do something that nobody else has ever done, that nobody else has ever done the way you would do it. And you stay uncomfortable, you’ll never even know that person, you’ll never know the greatest you get out there, take a chance, be smart. Give it your all. Take your lumps, you know, move forward with your idea and your passion and see what comes out out of it. And worst case scenario, it doesn’t work the way you want, you’ve got to hit the reset button, you’ve got to change some things, whatever, you at least you got to live a life, not Live Your Passion, you got to live life, and you understand where you are and who you are as a person and what greatness is inside of you. And how you can influence other people to do the exact same thing.

David Ralph
We call the comfort word, the ultimate C word on this show. But it’s the exact is the killer of dreams, isn’t it and I was in it for years and years and years I was in a job I was paid well, I didn’t really have to do much to be honest. And I just floated in and out floated in and out. And now I’ve given up on that. And I’m doing this, I feel alive, like I’ve never felt before. And it was interesting that you were saying that about, you know, so many people are not using the qualifications that they got, so many people are going to be got rid of from from their secure job and all those kinds of stuff. And for many people out there, they are really just going through the motions in a world of comfort, that really is the most dangerous place to be, isn’t it at the moment, they don’t know from one day to the next, what’s going to happen. And I’m never going to say to everybody out there, but you’ve got to become entrepreneurs and go out there and earn your own money. But I will just simply say that if you have a job that you don’t like, get another job. You know, if you want to be an employee and do that, then just buying one that really suits you, you don’t have to be in a crappy job day in day out.

Wesley Chapman
Exactly. And, and I will tell you, that if your energy is is that you don’t love your job, and it’s crappy, and it’s horrible, and it’s everything else, I will tell you, whether you believe in karma, or whatever else you believe in, you’re putting out into the energy of the world, your space around you, your boss, everything else, that you don’t like your job. And so eventually, what’s going to end up happening is you’re not going to have a job. I mean, I’m not threatening. It’s not I don’t don’t take it that way. But you you know, what’s the saying, you know, you reap what you sow. And if you’re sowing negativity and hatred and unemployment and your job a it’s going to be more unenjoyable, and all those things, but be, that’s it’s just whatever you want to believe in, I’ve seen it a million times, I’m very confident in saying it, you’re going to you’re just going to have negativity that surrounds that, and then you’re ultimately going to have the result that that that that breeds. So it’s just just think about what you’re putting out there. And what you’re doing is that it really truly is, it really is going to you’re going to reap what you’re sowing. And and so don’t be Don’t be sitting there saying I have a horrible job, I hate my job, I hate my job. And they’re not doing anything about either a changing why you hate your job or be going down another career path or another path because it will ultimately come back and give you the result in which you’re you’re continually saying

David Ralph
just before we send you back in time like a young Marty McFly, Wesley Chapman, are you the happiest you ever been? At the moment? You seem like a man who literally doesn’t like to go to bed at night? Because he’s got so much that he wants to do?

Wesley Chapman
Oh, yeah, I you know, sleeping for me. What’s the old quote, you know, you can sleep when you’re dead. Sleeping for me is something that’s it’s not it’s a nuisance. It’s it gets in the way of life. But I have a very, very grounded woman in my life who keeps me healthy, sane and wise. And she you know, she makes sure that I get plenty of rest because we need rest were human beings. We need rest so but but yeah, I would love I would love the ability. I would love a, uh, you know, you look at Tony Robbins and what he has with his physical ability to stay up and do things. And I’m sure it comes with its own challenges. But yeah, I’d love a superhero power of not having to sleep or eat or do things and still be healthy, it’d be awesome, I could do so much more. So we’re good.

David Ralph
This is the end of the show. And this is when we send you back in time, as I say like a young Marty McFly. And if you could go back into a room and find the young Wesley Chapman, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give him? Well, we’re going to find out because I’m going to play the tune. And when it fades you out, this is the Sermon on the mic.

Wesley Chapman
You know young Wesley Chapman this is the older Wesley Chapman the one that you’re not going to want to listen to. And but I want to tell you something. I’m always asked if I could come back and tell you, what would I tell you. And I’m not going to tell you anything about what to avoid and what not to do. And, you know, don’t be in this corner of that corner, don’t go into this house, this state not going to give you any of that advice. Because honestly, I believe that if I gave you any advice that would change or alter your course I wouldn’t be here I wouldn’t be able to literally give you this advice, the only advice that I’m going to give you is something that needs to stay grounded with you. And I learned at an I learned later in life. And I would have benefited so much further if I would have learned this right now, where you’re at is that you’ve got a lot of people in your life that are telling you you can’t you can’t it’s impossible, this is your outcome. I know that you know, you’re 15 years old now. And you just came back from a psychologist that told you and and the mother that adopted you that that you will never have a job that you’ll never be successful that you’ll never live a normal life, you’ll never probably even drive a car. And it’ll be lucky if you’re not in prison by 25 years old. And that’s hurting you. And that’s making you feel so angry inside. And that’s making you feel like you’re going to prove them wrong. And I want you to take that energy. And I want you to shift it just a little bit. And all I’m going to tell you is is that stop trying to prove everybody wrong. And simply prove yourself right. So the only a piece of advice I’m going to give you you know what you can become you know the greatness inside of you, you know who you are as a human being. And you know what you can do to change this world. I know I remember when we wrote that letter when we were 13 years old that we were going to become the president united states and we were going to help people and we were going to do all these things I know about creating the ranch, and all these different things you want to do for youth and I know what you have inside of you. So just worry about proving yourself right and stop worrying about proving everybody else wrong.

David Ralph
Wesley Chapman How can our audience connect with you sir?

Wesley Chapman
I would I would love all energy to go to human project com a human project.com is where you can learn all about our program what we’re doing here my story here the youth you know, we talked a lot about my story. There are youth stories on the website. It’s it’s a link called stories click on that listen to the stories from these youth telling their story of transformation of hope and of life. But if you if you want to reach me personally and you want see things you can go to my personal website, which is Wesley Chapman, calm, but make a commitment to yourself that you’re going to go to a human project calm first, and make that your priority. Make that your point. And then if you have time, go to my personal website, this is not about me, this is about them. And what you can do to help the children of this world understand that they are amazing human beings that deserve amazing outcomes. And all they need is a little love to show them that

David Ralph
hey, I can decide better myself. Thank you so much for spending time with us today joining those dots Wesley Chapman and please come back again when you have more dots to join up. Because I do believe it by joining those dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Wesley Chapman it’s been an absolute honor.

Wesley Chapman
Thank you so much. I appreciate the opportunity. Have a fantastic day David

Outro
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