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Introducing Gregg Korrol
Greg Korrol is our guest today on the Steve Jobs inspired Join Up Dots free podcast interview.
He is the author of the newly published book The Gifted Storyteller which tells the story of Michael.
A man who followed “the plan” and did everything he was supposed to for life to be successful; great job, money, dates, yet despite it all, everything wasn’t the dream he expected. One night after work, he meets a beautiful and mysterious woman named Jeannie, who introduces him to the Gifted Storyteller, and changes his life forever.
Now the question we will need to ask is how much of Michael is fictional and how much is autobiographical?
As it seems to me that today’s guest has trodden a similar path in many ways.
How The Dots Joined Up For Gregg
As certainly im sure that seeing how his life is changing so amazingly in front of him, he may well feel that he could have taken more risk earlier in his life.
Allowing him to experience growth in mindset, confidence and the ability to create the life of his dreams.
He works in the field of education, with over 20 years experience as a teacher and Principal in NYC.
Where he has received numerous awards and accolades as a leader in his field, and utilizing his degree in Psychology from StonyBrook University and certification in Strategic Intervention in coaching, his focus is on helping people see empowering meaning in the present moment and seize the opportunity to create lasting change for themselves and others.
So looking back at what he has achieved and what he is working towards, does he feel that it is simply a case of getting going, or a lot more than that?
And where does he see his attention turning to now, more books or something quite different?
Well lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots, with the one and only Mr Gregg Korrol
Show Highlights
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Gregg Korrol such as:
Why Gregg is always focused on the fact that “Days go slow and years go fast in life”, so makes sure that he is in the present as much as possible as that is where results occur.
Why he recalls that the writing process wasn’t hard, but making the commitment to himself to sit down every night to write certainly was. But that commitment makes dreams occur.
Why we both believe that the world needs to celebrate more than we do when we achieve a goal. Big effort requires a moment of stopping and reflecting what we have done.
and lastly….
How every opportunity and conversation is part of the process to getting to where we are today, so don’t try to rewrite any of your dots in life
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Full Transcription Of Gregg Korrol Interview
Intro [0:09]
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling. Join Up Dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK. David Ralph.
David Ralph [0:34]
Yes, hello, Matt. Good morning listeners. Good morning listeners to Join Up Dots I hope you are all right one and all we’re moving very swiftly to the night when the big fat man comes down out Jimmy and leaves us presence and drinks our beer. That’s that’s only gonna be a few weeks time now. So hopefully you you know you’re making enough time you still listen to my show every single day but still make time flows because it it gets us really, really quickly. Now. Today’s guest There’s a guy who I’ve already been talking to, and he’s got a young daughter. So he’s got, he’s got things happening in his house that he can’t escape from. But he’s also juggling a career and he’s juggling been a newly published book. Yes, he is. He is the author of the newly published book, but gifted storyteller, which tells the story of Michael, a man who followed the plan and did everything he was supposed for life to be successful, great job, money date. Yet, despite it all everything wasn’t the dream he expected and one night after work, he meets a beautiful and mysterious woman named Genie, who introduces him to the gifted storyteller and changes his life forever. Now, the question we will need to ask is how much of Miko is fictional? And how much is autobiographical? Well, it seems to me that today’s guest has kind of trod on a similar path in many ways. Certainly, I’m sure that seeing how his life is changing so amazingly, in front of him now, he may well feel that he could have taken more risks earlier in his life, allowing him to experience growth in mindset competence and happiness. To create the life of his dreams, he works in the field of education with over 20 years of experience as a teacher and principal in New York City, where he’s received numerous awards and accolades as leader in his field in utilising his degree in psychology from Stony Brook University, and certification in strategic intervention in coaching. He’s focuses on helping people see empowering meaning in the present moment and seize the opportunity to create lasting change for themselves and others. So looking back at what he’s achieved and what he’s working towards, does he feel that it’s simply a case of getting going? Or a lot more than that? And where does he see his attention turning to now more books or something quite different? Well, let’s find out as we bring onto the show to start Join Up Dots with the one and only Mr. Gregg Korrol. Good morning to you Gregg. How are you sir?
Gregg Korrol [2:48]
I’m doing wonderfully Good morning, David. How are you?
David Ralph [2:51]
I am always good little bit of a snotty nose and stop. I shouldn’t share that. But other than that, I’m a pretty good man because life Good in my well because every single day I wake up in a bubble of motivation. I float up to the recording studio, I turn on my microphone and I get sucked into a world of inspiration, perspiration, and a little bit of what the hell am I going to do next? Is that how your day is? Are you very much like, No, I know exactly what I’m gonna do now. I’ve released my book. Next steps. Oprah, next step is Nobel Peace Prize. And then boom, where was global domination? Are you making it up as you go along?
Gregg Korrol [3:32]
Well, that’s the plan. That’s great. Yeah, I’m kind of making it up as I go along. Um, kind of how I yeah, that’s kind of how it’s going is just in general, like, you’re going back to what you said earlier. And I used to be a person who kind of built stuff up thought about the to do list thought about all the things I had to do and you know, you kind of start doing that and you kind of get overwhelmed by things and I shifted the way I was thinking about certain things and it really helped with moving forward writing the book, working in my job. etc, etc, in balancing life and family.
David Ralph [4:03]
So when you look at where you are at the moment, let’s talk about excitement. Are you more excited by the big fat man coming down your chimney, leaving your presence and drinking your beer? Or are you more success? I’m excited by the success of your book, being honest with us, Greg,
Gregg Korrol [4:19]
I’ll be honest, I’m truly excited about the book. It’s something that I’ve been thinking about and dreaming about since Jesus for many, many years, it’s something I actually I remember the last week, being at university and walking with a friend of mine down one of the roads. And I had said to her, we were graduating with a matter of days. And I had said to her that like my dream in life is to have a book out and to continue to help people and talk to people and I had made a comment something to the extent of, well, if I don’t get that done, then I’ve kind of failed in life. And you know, fast forward 20 years later, and there was a point where I still hadn’t done that and I needed to give myself excuse my language, a kick in the backside and change things up because I really didn’t want to Be fast forward to the next 20 years and look back and say the same thing.
David Ralph [5:05]
And 20 years does move on so quickly, doesn’t it? You know, I’m 46 now and on today as we’re recording, Freddie Mercury died 25 years ago today the Queen’s Wow. I can’t believe that 25 years has gone so quickly. I’m still a young man, Greg, but but outside happened. Yeah. 25 years has gone in, in a blink of an eye. Do you feel the same? When you look back to sort of university days? Does it seem a long time or literally a blink?
Gregg Korrol [5:34]
It’s a little book, you know, somebody once said to me, and I was like, a brilliant comment. It was days go slow. Years go fast. And it took me a bit to wrap my head around that but it’s true. You’re going through your day and you’re living your life and you don’t really pay attention to time passing. You know, I guess we get into the rut of Okay, it’s January again. It’s December again, rather. And, you know, the new year is gonna come and then it’s Valentine’s Day and then it’s this, it’s that you just kind of go through this pattern and repetition. And the next thing you know is like, you know, oh my god, it’s it’s 20 years. And that’s It’s surreal.
David Ralph [6:08]
And I’ll use a little more focused on the present because of that, that release. Yeah. So you say you are so you make the most of it.
Gregg Korrol [6:16]
You know what it is, it’s that type of thing where you become very much aware of time. I mean, I’ve always been aware of time I’m like a time person. I love to be on time and specific to time. But, you know, starting to think about all these people and like you read, you know, people who’ve made a difference in the world are successful, whether they’re, you know, a leader or a writer or an actor or Nobel Prize winner, it doesn’t matter, Oprah whoever you want to name. They all have the same amount of time I do. They all have the same amount of time you do. So how do I use that time to better myself? And what can I do to motivate myself and put myself in the right frame of mind so that I’m doing things that are making a huge difference?
David Ralph [6:53]
Do you know you listed all these people you listed actors you listened, Oprah, you listed all these people, you didn’t matter UK podcasters. You You You skipped over those, Greg. Is that not success for you, sir?
Gregg Korrol [7:07]
It’s definitely a success actually listening to your show. I think it was about. I listened to your show a couple of weeks ago when we first signed up for this to be on your show. And then when I started listening to the different guests you had, I was kind of like, kind of thrown back in my seat when I’m listening to jack Canfield and other people that you had, and I’m like, wow, this guy has worked with amazing, amazing people. You know, I better step up my game to be with him. So trust me, when I see you doing is amazing. And what I hear coming out of the show is incredible. I’m actually honoured and thankful to be on your show with you.
David Ralph [7:38]
So thank you see, see listeners, that’s how you get adulation at your guests. You, you. You You push him into a corner so they have to say nice things. So I’m going to say nice things about you. Your book now but gifted storyteller, because it is it is a tale isn’t it? It’s something that is a sort of a parable, but a course it’s also got A story behind it, it’s got truth. Was it a story that was the most important thing or the message?
Gregg Korrol [8:07]
Um, I think it was the message thread and through the story. Basically, when I read when I learned, I learned best through stories, there’s a lot of amazing books out there that kind of take you through a step by step of how to do something, how to live your life better how to change this and that in your life. And I read those books and they’re wonderful, but when I’m reading a book, that’s more of a story. The first book that came to mind is way of the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman, which I have read about 20 something years ago, you get all these valuable lessons threaded through these characters and story, and it just, you know, again, Joseph Campbell, but you know, whole myth thing and how we use myth in our life and mythology. It just speaks to me better. That’s my personal, you know, way of learning that I love to listen to stories and I love to learn from other people. So when I had written the book, basically it was a lot of lessons and ideas or things that I’ve learned or come across in my life. And then how do they unfold in the characters that I created? Which going back to what you said earlier? Yeah, there’s definitely me embedded in there, as well as a lot of people. I know how
David Ralph [9:11]
much how much is embedded in you. Because I must admit, I did a lot of research on you. I found out some things that we’ve got in common we we both love Depeche Mode. I found that out. And I actually live about five minutes down the road from where Depeche Mode started, and then they’re found in place. And so we’ve got some connections. How much of it is you how much is Michael?
Gregg Korrol [9:35]
I think, a large I guess a large part of the baseline of Michael is made to the extent that and I think a lot of people because, again, going back to college days or things like that, I felt like my whole life in the in the first 20 years. You’re kind of told what to do. You know, you go to school, you’re growing up, you have your kids, I have my kids, we tell them to do their homework, we tell them to work hard. You have to do this to be successful that to be successful. And you’re going to college. There’s no question about that. So I went along that journey. And again, I’m going back to that last week or that graduation day and it felt like I was climbing up a mountain my whole life. And then there’s one of those rickety foot bridges, you know that just jetting out off the mountain, almost like Indiana Jones, if you will, that you know those rickety bridges where the other wood doesn’t look too stable. And the only thing is it was enshrined in thought and visioning, stepping onto this footbridge, except for the first time, I really have no idea where it’s going or where it’s taking me because I was kind of always I follow that plan. I did everything I was supposed to even after graduating, you know, it’s just this this moment of confusion. And I plan to go ahead and be a psychologist and a therapist. And that’s what I graduated with. That was my degree. But I wanted to take a year off from grad school and before going to grad school and figure out kind of what I wanted to do, but I had no clue and I was living at home. And I just didn’t know what was next. And my mother had made a comment to me, she’s like, you’re not going to sit around and do nothing go be a substitute teacher try that out. So I did. And within a couple of days, I was actually hired. And I really, really loved it. I did not expect that I loved working with children. I loved teaching, I loved helping. And I had said to myself at the time, well, I’m going to give myself another year this and then I’ll get back to grad school. And that happened for about three or four years before I kind of accepted the fact that that was what I love doing. I loved teaching. I loved working with children, I loved helping, and it just wasn’t the plan, so to speak, but even in that, then I got settled in the career and I was loving what I was doing. So it wasn’t like I was miserable or unhappy. I was enjoying everything I you know, moved out. I got my own place. I just like Michael in the book, did everything I was kind of supposed to do, except I kind of sat back in my you know, I’d say early to mid 20s you know that 24 To 28 range somewhere in there saying to myself, this is it. Okay, I know the next thing you’re supposed to do is, you know, get married and do this and do that. But is this it until you die. And that and that thought was really like, ominous. It was it was a little scary because I think we all kind of get stuck in a rut somewhere where even if you’re doing everything and you are successful, do you feel successful? Do you feel like what you’re doing is meeting your own personal needs in life. And so that’s, that’s really where the basis of the character came out to where the thread that underlied you know, this character, um, there’s a lot more going on in the book, but that that’s a basic piece of it.
David Ralph [12:39]
It’s fascinating, though, isn’t it? Because you could call Michael David, you could call Michael Gregg because we all have that story. Every single one of us set off on a path and now what we used to talk about a lot in Join Up Dots was the fact and it is a truth that when you find your thing, and you really love it and you know that that’s the thing. If you Look back into your very early days. Yep, between five and eight. When you’re a little kid running around, you can see strong clues to what you really love doing when there was no money involved. It was just it was just fun. But we kind of lose ourselves on the way now. You said you were loving your job. Now you’re doing this and you are infused by the success of the book. And you may be having another idea of another book coming out. Do you look back and go? Now actually, maybe love was too strong a word? Maybe it was possible enjoyment more than love? Is this the love or was that the love?
Gregg Korrol [13:38]
I think they’re both. I still love what I do. I still love working with kids and teachers and helping people because it’s it’s making a huge impact in in the people I work with and just being part of that creative piece where you’re helping kind of the next generation. That being said, I’m incredibly passionate about the book that I wrote. And and the story that comes out of it and the lessons that come out of it. And I look forward to to building upon that and doing more with it.
David Ralph [14:06]
So I stop you, I’m gonna stop you, right? This is black and white time, okay? You can only do one, you’ve now come into my world and I am emperor of your future. And I say to you, Greg, you can either sit at your computer and bash out another five books and become the new Stephen King. Or you can go back and work in the school, but you can only do one. What are you going to do?
Gregg Korrol [14:31]
Oh, dangerous question. I probably sit and do the five bucks. Why you’re writing. It’s just thoroughly enjoyable to sit and write and, but I also feel no matter how much you learn, and sometimes even writing is an isolation. The world is your playground. You know, every person you meet every person you encounter every situation is an opportunity to practice what you what you know. In other words, I used to even think going back to it When I studied philosophy and Buddhism, I had this like concept, oh, I want to be enlightened and I want to achieve enlightenment. And, you know, I realised that a point and partially actually listening to an Oprah interview with a monk who was a practising for 70 plus years. It’s not an endpoint, there is no end point. It’s always a continued journey. It’s always a continued test, if you will, you know, taking what you know. And then working with people and being a part of this world, and how every situation thrown at you, you can kind of, again turn into an opportunity or do a horror story. It depends on your storyteller and how you kind of relate to the world and what you see.
David Ralph [15:38]
Yeah, I think that’s brilliant because I look back over my life and I wish I had the the understanding of when things were really crappy to know that I was learning I think I would have dealt with it so much better, but I remember going out in the evening and at lunch times and knocking pints back in the saying to my mates, this is rubbish I should be doing better than this. And they were saying, you know, well, what what? What are you going to I don’t know, I don’t know, buddy. It’s got to be better better than this. But if I had sat down and thought, Well, actually, this isn’t good. I’ll get spare. This is helping me really develop to the next stage. I think I would have got to where I wanted to be quicker. Even Bowser, I would question whether I knew I wanted to be anyway.
Gregg Korrol [16:20]
Yeah, and, you know, that’s one thing. Also, it’s not, you know, I believe in goals. And I believe in setting plans and creating kind of where you want to go. But I think it’s the everyday moment that occurs and how you respond to it and how you what you what you take from it, and also where your responsibility in the situation comes into play. Because again, we all kind of perceive the world differently. In other words, whether you’re talking at the basic level of your senses, I mean, right now you You said you have a cold and you’re kind of like stuffy, so your perception and
David Ralph [16:53]
I’m on death’s door. Can I save more than a cold?
Gregg Korrol [16:57]
That’s a Depeche Mode song by the way.
But yeah, it’s kind of the way you’re now interpreting things or the way you’re feeling. And then situations present themselves and because of the way you’re feeling or because of your, the way your senses are dulled or changed, you’re going to have a different reaction or response to the world. And even if you’re if you’re not feeling a cold, or you’re not feeling as sick, I think something that really helped me in life is to understand that people do have different sensory acuity to the world. In other words, some people just have heightened sense of, of touch of smell, or whatever the case is, and it may be very different from somebody else. And therefore, just on that basic level, how you’re perceiving the world is very different from the person next to you. We like to think it’s the same we like to think that we’re speaking a common language and to some extent we are, but not exact, which is what I think leads to a lot of people’s frustration and disappointment, sadness, because you’re expecting things to be a certain way based on the way you’re perceiving the world.
David Ralph [17:55]
So when you decided to write this book, was it something bad You mentioned that you wanted to do it back at university time, but when you actually sat down and turned on your computer or your typewriter or whatever way you did it, Was it scary time did you have that, because we all have that bit. But we can say we want to do something, but then once we actually start doing it, then there’s a possibility of it failing. And that that’s scary. I remember recording 35 shows of Join Up Dots that weren’t scary at all. But when I come to launch it to the world, that was the time it was almost like I don’t have to do it secretly before I push it out, in case people say is rubbish, and nobody ever listens to it again, and all those kinds of thoughts. So what was it scary time? How did you push through to sort of think why this is good, and I’m gonna get a publisher and get it earlier.
Gregg Korrol [18:47]
The writing piece itself wasn’t necessarily scary. I always enjoyed writing it was just the commitment to myself to sit down in other words, you know, I worked all day spend time with my family, spend time with my daughter put my daughter to sleep. And you know, you’re tired from the whole day, but I had promised myself, okay, you’re going to sit down just 15 minutes, 15 minutes of writing, wherever it goes is wherever it goes. And that’s kind of how the whole thing unfolded, I really wrote itself for lack of better words in about three to four months. And then I picked it up, like, you know, couple months later and added a little more to it picked it up several months later and add it to it. You know, that motivation of sitting down 15 minutes every night last, I mean, the 15 minutes never became 15 minutes always became a half an hour or more, but didn’t didn’t just keep me going. I mean, some people can they can just keep going till it’s done. And then they’re done. But that’s not how it happened. You know, for me, because that kind of energy or motivation in life sometimes phase and you have to get yourself back there. The getting it out there piece. I think the scary part was when I announced it, because the only team that were very few people who actually knew I was writing. So even recently when I had some of my best friends over for a Halloween party, and it’s like, they were like, what the hell You didn’t say a word about this when you were doing this, where did this come from? And, you know, that’s something that actually I learned valuably from my wife, she’s incredibly wise woman. But sometimes, you know, it’s, you have to do something on your own without letting all the interference of everybody else come into play. In other words, you have to trust your inner voice. And you have to go with your thoughts. Because once you start talking to people about things, I mean, you can get insight and you can learn from it too. But it modifies you. it modifies your inner voice. And if you’re going to get in touch with yourself and where you want to go, you have to sign a kind of close up a little and spend a little time on your own, just like you did with your first few episodes and everything else, figuring out who am I and how am I going to relate this to the world? But when I announced it, or in other words, put it out on Facebook and put out a little video to everybody, that’s when it got scary. That was that was the nervous moment, the whole will they like it, won’t they like it? And initially, even after I finished writing it, I only gave it to about three or four people to read. But the response was was actually I was very pleased with the response because you know, you’d hope for Oh, it’s very good, that type of thing. But that’s not the response I got. The response was, Wow, I didn’t expect that. And that kind of surprised that people had after reading the book was to me, very rewarding.
David Ralph [21:20]
Did they not expect now actually, I’m going to save that question. I’m going to play some words, and then I’m coming back with that one because it’s a good it’s a good question. Here’s Jim Carrey.
Jim Carrey [21:29]
My father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [21:56]
Okay, I’m gonna come back to Jim Carrey, but this is a question that’s on the forefront of my mind. Do you think that they didn’t expect you to write that based on their knowledge of you or more based on what they feel that they possibly could do because there’s a truth but so many dreams are suppressed when we share them at the very beginning by people who couldn’t do it themselves. So kind of anchor us somehow. What do you think that appraisal, where did it come from?
Gregg Korrol [22:26]
I think I don’t think it was the unexpect ation of me, per se. I think it was they had no summary for the book. Actually, my cousin when she had read it, you know, she she actually started reading it on a plane or wherever she was, she was travelling for business. And she had said to me, like, the one suggestion I would give you is you’ve got to frame this. It’s just, it’s a lot and it’s in a good way. The story was very good, but it forces you into your own head and forces you to look at your life. Now. You know, it’s like once you ring a bell, it’s kind of hard to unring it. I like using That phrase, but uh, so she had said like, you really need to come up with a good preface for this or a prologue that’s gonna allow people to understand where what the gifted storyteller is and where you’re coming from. Because even though the titles, the gifted storyteller, I actually never use the term gifted storyteller in the book. So the prologue itself was the explanation of what I meant by that.
David Ralph [23:22]
And and was it a surprise to you when you wrote the prologue? Did you kind of go Oh, I can actually see what this is about now?
Gregg Korrol [23:29]
Um, no, because I I kind of understood it, but I had to make it clear for others. One of the things that I tried to get across which is that saying that’s on Facebook, or that you have read on the website, is you know, what, if a genie popped into your life and gave you the power to create your life as it happened, the main character in one of the main characters in the book is Genie. So it’s kind of a play on on words. I actually took the name from an old girlfriend, but it’s also that play on like, you know, that magic moment or That Aladdin moment where you kind of what if you could create everything? And then it kind of goes back to will? Aren’t you already doing that? And are you really aware that you’re doing that?
David Ralph [24:11]
Oh, this is deep, isn’t it? This is taking me into areas I wasn’t expecting. So So what you’re saying is basically every day we’ve got our Genie by the side of us to sparingly use our three wishes. But those three wishes, our own conscious decisions anyway.
Gregg Korrol [24:28]
Yes, and no. I mean, basically, to me, the term the gifted storyteller is, you know, you have that voice in your head, we all do. And then somebody once said to me, kind of, you know, no matter what you do in life, no matter who you meet, who you marry, who you spend time with, bottom line is you’re going to wake up with yourself every morning, and you’re going to go to sleep with yourself every night, and that that voice is constantly going on in your head. And it’s amazing because again, you’re going back to something I said earlier about the people you encounter in the world and it’s amazing how well like different people can see the same thing. situation and have different takeaways. Because that voice is kind of painting. Well, is this an opportunity? Is this a good thing? Is this a bad thing? Should I get upset about this? Should I be excited about this? can I learn from this? And I started thinking about this this voice. And it’s like, Wow, that is power. That and you know, that is just brilliant. And we use the term I mean, I don’t know if it’s around the world, I think it is. But generally, the term being gifted means you have that brilliance within you. And so we all kind of have that gifted storyteller and our voice in our head. That’s the voice that’s talking to us all the time. And literally can Sorry, go ahead.
David Ralph [25:37]
No, I was just gonna say but bat gift is the problem, isn’t it? Because the game is when when it becomes easy. And so many of us aren’t used to getting our value when it’s easy. You know, you see you see pop stars who sing, they suddenly get a billion dollars coming their way and then they screw up their career because it’s kind of, but they feel like they can’t justify it, somehow.
Gregg Korrol [26:01]
Well, yeah, that’s your own. That’s that’s the break between your own expectation. I mean, even now, it’s like, I think you want to go back to Depeche Mode or George, Michael, there are lots of like musicians I love. And you kind of think like, they were kids, once they were in school, once they were trying to figure out what to do, and they had their idols, oh, I want to be like, I’ll go back to George Michael, perfect example. I want to be like elton john, or I want to have a career like Freddie Mercury, or whatever the case is. And then all of a sudden, you’re there. This is again, my assumption you’re there. And you start questioning but I’m not like them or I’m, this is not what I expected it to be, or it’s not as glamorous. I think a lot of that comes from the fact that you know, in your head, your voice is playing out. If you think about it, we have 24 hours in a day. You’re sleeping on average, what eight hours a day. So it leaves you with 16 hours or so to to really think and you’re thinking for all this time, constantly during the day. And then what do you actually articulate? What do you actually talk about? I mean, do you have maybe an hour Two hours that you’re actually voicing the highlight reel, if you will, of whatever’s in your head. And that kind of becomes your story. So it’s there’s a big break between kind of the way what’s going on in your head and what is perceived out there.
David Ralph [27:15]
My favourite day of the week is first days Join Up Dots day and I sit here and I have about eight episodes back to back to back. It’s really hard work. It I know it doesn’t sound hard work listeners, but believe me being that present in the moment. And the reason that I love it is because I have to be present in the moment I have to be so focused on everything that that guest is talking talking to me about because as you say, more often than not, women the future, aren’t we we’re thinking, Oh, wouldn’t it be great if that happens when It’d be great if this happens, or why aren’t I back further ahead to where I am, but you tell you that all the way and you’re in the present? That’s where the magic really occurs? Because that’s when you can actually do something about it, isn’t it?
Gregg Korrol [27:57]
Absolutely. I mean, it’s been said numerous times. But that’s, that’s the only real reality. The rest is, you know, you’re thinking about the past you’re getting, you’re thinking about the future, whether you’re gonna excited about or nervous about it. But really, you know, I’m not to get Doomsday but for all you know, the planet could be gone in five minutes. So really all you have is now and what are you going to do with it? How are you going to interact with people, I mean, again, to do what you’re doing to be able to have that kind of openness and really listen to people. A lot of people don’t listen to people, they actually are listening to the voice in the head while they’re having a conversation. And then they’re responding to their own thoughts, you know, to what you do is a gift that’s, you know, to really be able to listen to somebody, and, you know, have that dance with them back and forth in conversation. It’s it is a lot of work. And it is huge.
David Ralph [28:47]
It is but it also gets to the point, which is the value piece again, but once you build an audience, it becomes very lucrative. And I know I’ve been through the journey at the beginning when no one was listening to this show. It was A struggle, then I started to get an audience and the money started coming in. And it was like, brilliant. This is fantastic. This is everything I wanted. And then I went through a stage of thinking, actually, I don’t know you know this, this isn’t like work alma mater, a traipsing up to London and getting to their desk at eight o’clock, I have 15 steps, and I’m at my recording studio, and you know, have a nice coffee machine by the side and I’m having these conversation. This isn’t like we’re, and then I’ve now got to the stage. But I realised that actually, it’s not the work. It’s the going for the work if you know, it’s actually starting the dream. That’s where the rewards come from. The fact that you’ve now got a book out on the shelf. Yeah, most people could actually sit there and write a page a day for a year 365 pages, it’s a book. They could you know, self publish it. It doesn’t even have to be very good if you do that and get it out there. But the real value was the is the fact you started Greg. Isn’t it right? The very beginning you had those dreams, you had those aspirations. And you went for it. That is where the true value comes from.
Gregg Korrol [30:05]
Yeah, and I think a lot of, honestly, when you get to where you want it to go, sometimes it’s anticlimactic. You know, it’s like you have this big moment, you know, you think of like a wedding or something like that. It’s like you have this huge build up to a big day. And then that night, you’re still going back to your, you know, your bed and whatever else or you know, wherever you’re going to be, but the point is that it’s, it is the journey, like you’re saying, it’s, it’s the work involved in stretching yourself and growing and contributing that. That’s the value. Because, you know, even now, what you’re saying, it’s like, okay, so you’re you’re doing this, but that’s not going to be your end all this is, you know, you’re gonna, what other guests can I get, what else can I do? What other conversations Can I have that are gonna enlighten my listeners and enlighten myself, you know, that kind of thing. So it’s a constant journey. And maybe maybe people get disappointed because you get to that end point. It’s not what you expected, because it’s not about that endpoint. It’s about what else can I do not in a bad way, not no work way. You know, again, work work is a term, it’s a label that we use generally when we don’t like what we’re doing. You don’t hear people say, you know, if they’re thrilled with what they’re doing like you are, you don’t say, this is work, you’re just having a good time. And thankfully getting rewarded for it with money and accolades and you know, credit
David Ralph [31:22]
is the big problem isn’t it? things being anti climatic, you know, you climb up to the top of the mountain and you take three days to get there, and it’s covered in cloud and you don’t see anything and you you know, I’ll be honest with you, sir. At the moment I would class myself as Mr. Lava man, but when I lost my virginity, it was climb anti climatic, I thought to myself, is that it? Is that what three minutes feels like? It should be better than that. And there was all these build up to something that was going to be amazing and often, but no, it’s not. And I think that’s a big problem, certainly in entrepreneurial land where you’re building something and you’re striving for it. But we get to a goal. And I talked to so many guests that said this, they struggle to celebrate. They sort of get there. And I think, okay, what’s the next thing to be done and I move straight on where you need to almost let a couple of days pass, switch off your computer, and really savour the achievement but we don’t Did you celebrate when you got the book out? Did you go crazy running around the streets of Brooklyn getting drunk in every bar? Or did you just go right? Okay, that was good. Let’s move on.
Gregg Korrol [32:28]
No, I try to actually do small celebrations. It’s funny because I’ve had this conversation with my wife. It’s something that that I need to do more of. It’s something I think everybody needs to do more. And even with kids that I work on Recently, there was a spelling bee and there were some kids who were very upset that they you know, they weren’t there. Number one, they weren’t the winner. And I had said to them, I was like, but you did it. celebrate it. So what you were not, you know that the top person celebrate the fact that you tried. So it’s like, I try to celebrate in little ways as much as I can and my wife will constantly no matter what I say like yesterday, for example, the book went up on Barnes and Nobles. And it was just shouting, shouts out, celebrate. And so it’ll be a little dance or grab a drink or just even a smile or something to say, nice. You did well, but it’s something I think we all need to do. I think we don’t give ourselves enough credit for all we do every single day, even little things that we do. I mean, the reality is, you’ve been we’ve all been through so many different situations in our life. And it’s just even the small moments, even something as simple as holding a door for somebody or helping somebody out. It’s worth celebrating. That’s worth acknowledging you’re making a difference for yourself and for others. So yeah, I think you need to take the time to celebrate I definitely need to take the time to celebrate No, I did not run around the streets like a crazy person, although I probably should. But I’ll find a moment to celebrate even if it’s just in a smile or well done type of thing.
David Ralph [33:54]
I will come over to Brooklyn and we will run around the streets together so that that’s what we will do. Because, you know, to I don’t celebrate, and to keep calling it Depeche Mode praise, you know, if I do, it’s a black celebration, you know, it’s just a kind of, it’s not big enough. And people say to me, oh, you must have been a mentor when you had that guest on the show and that kind of thing. Now, it didn’t really it was just business as usual. And oh, you must have done you know, it’s been so pleased when you did that. Oh, no, really. And that’s one of the things I don’t like about Facebook. The whole world is full of people having kind of fake celebrations, you know, where they’re, they’re promoting an image that almost stops people believing that they can achieve in their own life. It’s like the show highlights. This is something we talked about a lot as well. When you go to Facebook, it should be inspiring, but more often than not, it’s kind of depressing because you see people doing stuff that you want to do, and they are so far advanced or they they’re kind of letting you think they’re so far advanced. He could be true or maybe not. Did you have the same thing when he was going over into Facebook Live Before you started writing the book, did you start surrounding yourself with authors and think to yourself, oh my god, yeah, I’m never gonna match up.
Gregg Korrol [35:08]
No, actually, I didn’t.
I know what you mean in terms of people putting up moments or selfies or whatever else to paint their their life in a certain picture, but I don’t, I’ve kind of tried to step back from, I don’t want to use the word judging, but like looking at people and saying, oh, he has this or she has this. And that’s where I should be or want to be. Because I think that’s what leads to a lot of sadness that people go through every day expecting or reflecting and thinking, I’m not enough, or I should be doing more, etc. And I think when you use other people as a gauge, you’re kind of putting yourself in a corner. So I try not to do that actually. And I try to, you know, celebrate other people and have, hey, if somebody wants to put up all these highlight reels and paint their picture in a certain way, good for you enjoy it, but I’m not going to use that as a measuring stick for myself. And again, I think that’s something that a lot of people do and I’ve definitely done it. It’s not necessarily a good place to put yourself because you’re putting yourself down for no reason. Again, you know, you want every author that’s out there every celebrity, every just quiet person who you don’t know that to a stranger who’s making a difference in the world. These are all people who, you know, everybody has their thing. Everybody has a moments and we can’t. We shouldn’t, I should say, use other people as our gauge for our own personal success because I think once you do that you’re putting yourself down.
David Ralph [36:30]
Yeah, absolutely. What about this is a good story for a second book, right? Somebody has like a super talent like a superhero, that they can go into Facebook posts, or minutes before it’s taken. And so they get the real story, and then they come back and then they create their own viral YouTube channel or something. This counting these posts that people are putting up, that would be good. Be like a kind of Facebook kind of status serial killer is that the best just popped into my head. That is genius. I think it’s genius. What do you reckon Greg?
Gregg Korrol [37:05]
Oh, writer with you. Um, I think one of the things Facebook did that saved a lot of people was create that delete Post button. I think that was a huge favour that they did for people because I’m sure a lot of people beforehand put things up and you know, whether they were having a 3am, drunken night or whatever the case is, you know, it’s, you kind of can’t erase the digital footprint, if you will. I mean, it’s always there, but at least you have a little more control over what people see about you.
David Ralph [37:31]
That’s what I love about podcasts because you can’t do that either on air. You know, we press record and we stop it at the end and what’s on there is on there, and sometimes it’s great and sometimes it’s lunacy, and sometimes it’s amusing, but it’s just as it is real raw. There’s no, there’s there. I think in a podcast, there shouldn’t be any editing. I think it should be just absolute hour or half hour of realism because that separates it from the Show highlights that we see everywhere else.
Gregg Korrol [38:03]
True. And it gives you a natural conversation, you really get a sense of who you’re working with. And again, you’ve worked with a lot of great people and to listen to a few of those podcasts, you really get a sense of who that person is. And you learn a lot so that it’s actually going back to, if you will, pre Facebook pre technology, we actually just had a conversation with somebody, and you sat there and you talked and you had a good time. And that’s it.
David Ralph [38:29]
Did you miss those days? Do you miss the days around the campfire? You know, just talking and chatting. Because certainly, the only conversations I really have are either here or down the pub. I rarely have conversations in my house because people have always got the TV on or my kids or on their tablet, you know, to actually have deep conversations with people happen few and far between but maybe you know 50 years ago when there wasn’t TV every night people did. People maybe did communicate more well. To me,
Gregg Korrol [39:01]
um, I listen to what you’re saying I agree with it. I’m thinking to myself, I’m like, Well, I still have a lot of conversations and we do get deep in terms of having those moments, but you’re right about it being few and far between. I think the thing that is a little saddening and gets lost is like sometimes, like, I’ll look out the window of my apartment and I’ll see a group of teenagers walking around or whatever, 20 somethings, and you’ll have like five or six people together, but they’re all on their phones. Yeah. And I’m like, you’re right next to each other, actually. South Park, you know, South Park. Yeah, they did. He did something, had a brilliant show on we’re basically like a kid was like, it began with the kid really just going through a moment where she’s like, I can’t take this anymore. This bullying and it’s just, it’s too much. And I need to end this and this and you think she’s talking about ending her life. And all she’s doing is saying I’m going to sign off of Twitter. And so she signs off on Twitter. The whole school goes into this morbid like, they’re crying, they’re hysterical. The guidance counsellor is sitting talking to the class. You know, we have to deal with this. I understand. We’re not To see her postings anymore, and we’re not going to know what she’s doing every moment, and the kid is sitting right there in the class. But they’re having this like almost like a funeral for her, and not knowing how they’re going to relate to her talk to her because she’s not online anymore. But yet she’s right there. And I just thought that was hysterical.
David Ralph [40:19]
Still, yeah, we see all the time. You know, I go out with my kids and my kids are all you know, 11 I used to argue all the time with my wife, because I don’t actually own a mobile. I say this all the time, but I don’t. And it’s a real badge of honour for me now that no one can connect with me. And my daughter who’s 11 she’s had a phone since she was seven. I used to say she’s got no one to phone. She’s got no one to phone. Why does she need it and she walks out of a toilet with her phone. She goes into a bedroom with her phone, you know, she says constantly looking at it, but I don’t know what she does on it. Because every time I sort of walk up, she sort of puts it to her chest. I don’t know she might be she might be downloading Join Up Dots time and time again. What do you think? Could she be doing that to me, sir?
Gregg Korrol [41:01]
Absolutely. I’m sure she’s very proud of her dad.
David Ralph [41:05]
You don’t know my daughter will fade out, listen to this rubbish.
Gregg Korrol [41:10]
I’m trying, you’re trying your
David Ralph [41:13]
best. I’m going to bring on some words that maybe they will listen to because these are remarkable. And we’re gonna listen to him again,
Steve Jobs [41:20]
Steve Jobs. Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leads you off the well worn path, and that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [41:56]
So although you wouldn’t want to go back and rewrite those dots because They are part of your journey. I remember reading a survey with you where you answered loads of different questions. And one of the things that you You did say was you wish you went back and took more risks when you were younger? Do you think if you did, would it set you on a totally different path to what Steve saying there?
Gregg Korrol [42:20]
Absolutely. You know, I think it goes back to any like, time travel movie, it’s like, we all have this fantasy of like, if I knew then what I knew now or if I could go back to being 20 years old, and with what I know now, but the moment you do that, you’re you’re not going to be where you are now, you would lead an entirely different life. And I think, you know, going back in terms of what I would tell myself, one of the things I would tell myself is, you know, don’t judge the situation like Steve Jobs was just saying it’s, you don’t know where those dots are gonna lead. Sometimes things happen and they seem bad at the moment or they seem very difficult. But then you look back on it. You know, you Yours later or even weeks later sometimes and you’re like, you know what, that was the best thing that ever happened to me, because I wouldn’t be here if that didn’t happen.
David Ralph [43:08]
What in your life? If you go back? What was the the big.as? We say, what was the defining moment that made you start to change direction? Because it has, it’s been quite dramatic over the last few years, you can see it, you know, for Yeah, where you were to where you are now, the fact that you’re on this show, and I’ve got no doubt that you’re going to go on to bigger and bigger, bigger things. But what was the big doc that really shifted you into second and third gear?
Gregg Korrol [43:35]
I actually the first thing that came to mind was in the Oprah interview. It’s like a third time I’m mentioning Oprah. But you know, she is amazing, and she works with amazing people. But she did an interview with Tony Robbins, and listening to that interview was kind of mind opening, and they were talking about unleash the power within that, you know, seminar that he does, and it really got me thinking so I started listening to some of his work and my question at the time really was How can I use this in education? Because I kind of have the saying it’s all about the teacher. And you know, it’s who’s in honestly about a teacher, it could be about the Cable Guy. In other words, one person shows up in your house because the cables not working, he just walks in and replaces the box, another person will go through and check all your wires and make sure everything is is working in a specific way. It really depends on the person who’s standing in front of the person who shows up. And that person, that person is everything. So you really so going back to that it was my question was how can I build up teachers? How can I build up myself and be the best version of myself and help them be the best version of themselves so that they can deliver the best instruction possible? So I think it really started with an education piece and then branched off also because I also started reflecting on what else can I do, or what else am I not doing or what else should I be doing? So I think that was a big moment. For me that was a huge.in other words and awakening that you know, this is this is in your control. It seems Random and chaotic life and things do happen to you, so to speak, but what you do with it and how you respond to it changes everything.
David Ralph [45:10]
Yeah, absolutely. It’s that one word, isn’t it? It’s control. It’s when you realise that things aren’t random. It’s always all your decisions built up to something. That’s why I kind of like the premise of the law of attraction, but then it annoys me as well, because I like the fact that I can create all these remarkable things just by doing lots of little things that aren’t seemingly connected, but get you to that point, it’s when you decide to take control, slip it into first and then start pressing down on the pedals. That’s when things happen. And it seems so simple. It really does. But for years, I never pressed the pedal. I almost waited for somebody to jump in and drive me to whatever direction I wanted. But now I’m driving it myself. I think to myself, why didn’t I do this years ago? It’s over Me deciding what I want and going after it little by little by little you get there, you get somewhere close, you suddenly realise that the dream that you wanted at the beginning actually wasn’t a real dream. It was not big enough, it was, you know, a different tangent, whatever. But it all comes down to control.
Gregg Korrol [46:17]
And I think it’s responsibility. In other words, when you stop saying, I’m doing this because of her because of him, or this happened to me, and you start saying, Okay, this is where I am, what can I do, and in other words, not coming from the outside in but coming from the inside out. It changes things, when you really realise that it’s all within your responsibility. Again, somebody says something to you and you respond to it in a way that’s going to make them laugh or respond to it that’s going to make them excited or happy or whatever the case is, you’re controlling that and therefore you’re controlling the emotions you’re going to feel as a relationship or you’re assisting other people by giving them an opportunity to laugh or to whatever else and it takes the journey in a very different direction. So what you’re saying is dead on, you know, but again, it’s when do you stop and say to yourself what it would have been good to say this to myself earlier, of course, but this is all me, this is my responsibility. My life is my responsibility and how do I use this to really make a difference for myself and those around me?
David Ralph [47:20]
Yeah, wow. moment in time. I thought oh, wait the five there. Yeah, just that one moment. It doesn’t matter when it is. It’s we all look back and think, oh, we could have started this earlier. But of course we couldn’t because we didn’t have the the right experiences. We didn’t have the knowledge base to actually move forward. But when that one moment hits, that’s when you got to do it. And please, listeners, please everybody out there. You know, I don’t just say this because I want you to believe in a dream that is kind of a fantasy. Well, this is real. This is absolutely real life. Greg decided he wanted to write a book. Greg has now become a published author. I wanted to be a radio Host podcaster that is what I am. It’s just deciding what you want to be and then working out how to do that. And little by little, it gets easier because other people then kind of believe that you are that anyway. And so and very beginning, you’re almost asking for experience, can you help me get to that point and I go, Well, now you need experience before you get to that point, but I can’t get the experience until you kind of move past that little by little, and then it gets faster and faster. And then people believe the myth and you end up being George Michael in a men’s public toilet, singing, singing songs to the world. Is that the way that it operates? Greg,
Gregg Korrol [48:39]
if I can add to that, I think it’s also just do it stop. It’s very easy to get caught up in your thoughts. In other words, well, what if this doesn’t work? What like going back to what we said earlier? What if I fail? What if people laugh What if this what of that? And that that kind of thinking that kind of storytelling if you will is going to shut you down. So sometimes you have to shut the Hold out and just do. So in other words you want to write, sit down or write, you want to play an instrument, do it just but again, just just take the actual step without wondering or worrying so much about where it’s necessarily going to go. Because the interesting thing is your mind and body learned, you know, as you’re going, I started about a year ago, I started taking up guitar and trying to learn guitar, I thought it was something I’ve always wanted to do. And what I found interesting is as I started reading the notes, my fingers would go to the appropriate strings, but I don’t know what notes I’m reading like even as my, my teacher is basically she’ll say, okay, play the A string, play the D string, play the de, I’m not, I don’t understand. But if I see the note, my body just knows to go, if that makes any sense. So just take a step and see where you’re, you’re buying your body, your mind and body take you
David Ralph [49:50]
It makes total sense. I play the piano and one of the songs I always used to want to play with Lady Madonna by The Beatles, which was too advanced for me because one hands going on. bom bom bom bom bom bom bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom and everyone’s gone to the end. It’s like patting your head and rubbing your tummy at the same time. And I just couldn’t do it. And I gave up on it. And now I play it. And I actually just watch my hands doing stuff and I don’t even think of what I’m doing. It’s just like, I know exactly
Gregg Korrol [50:18]
what you mean. Exactly which again,
David Ralph [50:22]
we strike. Well, I know what I’m going to do now, because I’ve been building up to this. And this is the part that we call the Sermon on the mic. When I send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to young Greg, what age would you choose and what advice would you give? Well, I’m gonna find out because we’re gonna play the theme, and when it fades, you’re up. This is the Sermon on the mic
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Gregg Korrol [51:07]
If I were to go back, what age would I go back to? I probably go back to around 18 to 20, or maybe early 20s. At that point, the thing I would think I tell myself is to stop worrying so much. In other words, I remember worrying about everything from Well, what am I going to do? What am I going to do with my life? How are people going to perceive me? What’s my first step? There was a lot of a lot of thinking, and I don’t think I had enough faith and belief in who I was. In other words, even up to that point, and no matter what age you are in your life, if you look back at your life, you’ve been through so many situations, so many challenges, so many difficult moments. And you made it through. You made it through those moments. And you’re here now, and number one, celebrate that but it’s really a matter of have a little more fun. And yourself. In other words, don’t think about don’t build up the fear and start thinking about what’s going to happen. Just know that you’ve been through it. And you’re going to tackle this moment if something like in other words, if you have a meeting tomorrow or you have an interview tomorrow, and you’re not sure, I mean, definitely prepare yourself, get yourself ready. But have a little faith in yourself and know that when that moment comes, you are going to find the words. Of course, you may question well, what if I don’t know what to say? Or what if I don’t know what to do? But fake it like you had said earlier, David, just fake it till you make it. In other words, fake the situation, come up with whatever feels best. You’d be surprised because again, sometimes you think you’re not doing well or you’re not having a good interview or not having a good moment, but the other person’s perception may be very different from from what you’re thinking. So I would definitely tell myself to have a little more faith and belief in myself and not think as much. I’d also probably tell myself to listen more. In other words, there are so many amazing Every situation is a moment to learn every opportunity that’s presented is something you can can gain from. And if you really are focused and pay attention and be present in the moment, instead of getting caught up in your mind. There’s, there’s amazing things you can learn and opportunities and people you can meet. So I mean, those are those are the things that come to mind initially. Um, yeah, those are the things that would come to mind. Initially, if I had to tell myself one or two things, those would be it have a little more faith in yourself. Don’t worry so much, even though it’s easier said than done. But just be here. Now. Here’s the situation. This is what’s going on. What are you going to do about it? How can you take control of this moment so that you can create an opportunity out of it? I think that that that’s a very helpful piece of advice that I would give myself.
David Ralph [53:54]
Right. So Greg, what’s the number one best way that our audience can connect with you, sir?
Gregg Korrol [54:00]
So the website for the book is www dot the gifted storyteller comm you can also go to Greg coral calm. That’s what two G’s facebook.com slash the gifted storyteller, Twitter’s the only one that’s a little different. It’s at the gifted story because they don’t allow enough letters to have the gifted storyteller. So it’s just the gifted story. But definitely through the website, you can email me You can contact me, I would love, love, love to hear your thoughts. I am hoping that a lot of people take a chance and buy the book because I think it’s a really good piece of work. And I think what I like about it, and I’m speaking personally is that I’m not a person who has a lot of time to read per se. And I purposely wrote a book for people in that situation. In other words, it’s a quick read. It’s something you can read in one or two sittings that’s going to leave you thinking. So I hope that there’s something in there that will benefit you in your life and that you’ll find you’ll find exciting and that’s going to help you But again, let me know, share out, email me, I would love to be in contact with people because even down to the fact that the quote on the actual cover of the book comes from an old friend of mine, who was a high school friend who I lost touch with for 20 plus years. And when she read the book, she’s a social worker. And she kind of saw a whole perspective that even though obviously, I knew was in the book, I didn’t see it as the main piece of the book. In other words, the book begins where Michael is actually in a hospital because his father is dying. And from her lens and her perspective, she saw this entire piece in this book about dealing with loss, and how to deal with that in a better way. And even though obviously, I knew that was there, I didn’t see it. So I’m looking forward to hearing your perspectives and what you gain from this story. It’s like, I think it was seal or Michael Stipe, somebody that once said they don’t put their words in the leaflet of the CD, because they’d rather a listener here. The song and interpret whatever words they want, because it’s going to speak to them. So with this book, I’m looking forward to hearing what what you’re going to gain out of it and what insights you have. And again, just go to the gifted storyteller Comm. There’s a section to contact me. There’s also a giveaway, I’m giving away a few copies of signed book. So I would love to hear from you. Please, please, please, definitely
David Ralph [56:22]
get in contact with me. We will have all the links on the show notes. And do you know a little story very quick story. I got run over by Michael Stipe. He hit me in a car in London and knocked me to the floor. And as I was laying there, he got out of his car and I thought, oh my god, it’s you from REM. And yeah, so that that was it. That was my injury story. So Greg, thank you so much for spending time with us today. joining up those dots. Please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our paths is the best way to build our futures. Greg Cole, thank you so much,
Gregg Korrol [56:58]
David, thank you so much for having me.
The gifted storyteller. And yeah, that was the name of his book. But you could tell he was a gifted storyteller as well. He knew how to weave a conversation into into a flow that I enjoyed. I really enjoyed that conversation. I said afterwards, one day, we’ll be in a bar and we will get drunk together and we will take the conversation everywhere we want because he was a man who knows where he’s heading now. And once you know that, whether it’s not the exact right direction, it does make it so much easier. The problem is actually sort of knowing which way you’re heading. Thank you so much for listening to Join Up Dots. That was Episode 630. We got some good ones coming up. We got some solo shows as well over the Christmas period. But yeah, we’re moving up to 2017. Very, very quickly when all your big goals start afresh, and hopefully we can be a part of that look after yourself. Cheers.
Outro [57:56]
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