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Introducing Derek Rydall
Derek Rydall is todays guest joining us on the Join Up Dots business coaching podcast interview.
He is someone who I’ll be honest I didn’t realise his backstory when I first knew that he was going to be a guest on the show.
I had seen his name as someone who believes that he can radically change all of our lives, so I had an impression of him simply being another life coach.
But how about when I tell you that although he is rocking and rolling and doing great work in the world of changing mind-set.
He is also increasing positivity in his client lives, he is also an American screenwriter, screenplay consultant, script doctor, author and amazingly, at least it was to me, as stuntman too.
And it seems that the last role was one of his “Big Dots” that truly was the starting point to him becoming who he is today,.
How The Dots Joined Up For Derek
As after a life-changing “brush with death” while making the movie Phantom Of The Mall: Eric’s Revenge, he left the stunt business and considered becoming a monk.
Then a minister, until instead he hid himself away in his apartment without TV or news and meditated for several years.
He emerged to become a licensed integrative therapist, best-selling author, and he actually adopted a monk, no not a monkey but an actual monk which is of course another story.
So what was his passion when he was a small child, and was it ore closely linked to who he is now, or that of who he was?
And where does he see this movement of people looking for self-belief going, as it seems bigger than it has ever been?
Well Lets find out as we bring onto the show to start joining up dots with the one and only Mr Derek Rydall.
During the show we discussed such weighty topics with Derek Rydall such as:
How he recalls sending “Love Bombs” to his teenage friends, which he couldn’t stop himself from doing (even if they weren’t too sure of his motives at the time)
How as adults we need to find an embrace our inner child, to discover the true enjoyment that life holds for us everyday.
How we all suffer pain in life, that is inevitable. But enduring suffering is a simply choice. We can decide how we want to fee if we truly make our minds up.
How we have no other choice than to stay the course and finish the journey to see for ourselves the true goal that we were aiming for.
How his Father believed that Pearl jam was something you spread on toast, which is more than a bit amusing!
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Audio Transcription Of Derek Rydall Interview
When we’re young, we have an amazing positive outlook about how great life is going to be. But somewhere along the line we forget to dream and end up settling join up dots features amazing people who refuse to give up and chose to go after their dreams. This is your blueprint for greatness. So here’s your host live from the back of his garden in the UK David Ralph
David Ralph [0:26]
Yes. Hello, bear world. Welcome to another episode of join up dots This is Episode 313. We’re still coming from the United Kingdom. And it is unbelievable. It really is. I say this all the time, but it is so unbelievable. You hit the 300. And then suddenly, you’re looking at 350, and you 315, your 400. And what we’re saying really on every single show is it’s down to you guys. It’s down to you to make the decision to change your life is not going to happen without your input. And your input is the biggest thing. Now what I want to do is, of course introduce you to today’s guest as he is someone who I’ll be honest, I didn’t realize his backstory when I first knew that he was going to be a guest on the show. I’d seen his name is someone who believes that he can radically change all of our lives. So I had an impression of him simply being a life coach. But how about when I tell you about although he is rocking and rolling and doing great work in the world of changing mindset and increasing positivity in these clients lives. He’s also an American Screenwriter, screenplay consultant script doctor offer. And amazingly, at least it was to me a stuntman, too. And it seems that the last role was one of these big dots that truly was the starting point to him becoming who he is today is after a life changing brush with death while making a movie. He left the stunt business and considered becoming a monk, better minister, until instead he hid himself away in his apartment without TV or news and meditated for several years, he emerged to become a licensed integrative therapist, best selling author, and he actually adopted a monk, not a monkey, but an actual monk, which is he’s, of course another story. So what was his passion when he was a small child? And was it more closely linked to who he is now? Or that of who he was? And where does he see this movement of people looking for self belief going? as it seems bigger than it has ever been? Well, let’s find out. As we bring on to the show, to start join up dots with the one and only Mr. Derek Rydall. How are you doing?
Derek Rydall [2:21]
Oh, wow, David I’m doing awesome. And I gotta say, when you when you talk about my life, it sounds pretty darn exciting.
David Ralph [2:29]
is it’s mad, isn’t it? You know, I looked at your life. And I was I came from one one perspective. And once I started doing my research and delving in, I thought, which way do I go? So what I’m going to do, I’m just going to jump back and forth, because there are so many errands. But of course, the thing that really grabbed me, you adopted me
Derek Rydall [2:49]
before you start there before you start there. David, I just gotta say, I know you’re over 300 now, but you don’t look a day over 100 and make sure that
David Ralph [2:57]
your man Yes. I actually look close to Yoda. Now when when I started, it’s not that kind of Brad Pitt, Benjamin Button thing. But he’s, he’s going in reverse. That’s the problem. I I’m aging as we speak. So did you actually adopt a monk, an actual monk? You know,
Derek Rydall [3:16]
yeah, it was a program that allowed me to adopt a Tibetan monk. And, and correspond and financially support. We did never actually meet in person, but I supported this young monk through his teachers trainings and through, you know, for, you know, feeding him and housing him and all that for a period of time, while I was also going on my monastic journey, you know, where I turned my life, like the story says, I tried to become a monk, that didn’t work out too well. It’s kind of a funny story. But then I eventually cloistered myself in my apartment, and got rid of TV and news and movies and everything and pretty much went on this, this deep inner journey for a while. And during that I had this relationship corresponding with this Tibetan monk, that I was financially supporting as well.
David Ralph [4:08]
Then, as you know, that’s strange, because my daughter always likes those adverts, you know, when you see them on the telly, adopt a tiger or adopt a zebra. And now she’s a bit older, and she realizes she’s not actually going to get but zebra or the tiger. And you’re right, you never you just get a letter from it every now and again. She’s really annoying. So would you like to meet the monk? Would you like to go over and have a bit of a monk holiday?
Derek Rydall [4:34]
I thought about that before? And I haven’t I don’t know, I lost touch with him now. So I’m not sure if I would know how to find him again. But it would at the time that I’d be doing that was, you know, something I thought about several times just wasn’t practical in the moment. So
David Ralph [4:51]
So let’s start taking you back. Because that’s what we do in join up dots because it is a journey of your life. And what were you planning to be when you as a small child because you have done a load of stuff. And it’s not just like the small stuff, you’ve done careers, and you’ve done about five or six different careers that people base their whole life around. So when you was a little, the little Derek Rydall, the five year old running around the garden, well, what was your big plan?
Derek Rydall [5:18]
Well, first of all, I just love this topic. I’m I just love that you do this, because it’s one of my favorite pastimes or my favorite processes and practices. Because as I teach with my work with emergence, I use the analogy of the acorn and the oak tree and that the oak already in the acorn, and that the acorn doesn’t show up as an empty shell and then try to figure out what it wants to be when it grows up, that it’s the oak is already within it. And the same thing is true with us that there is a seed of, of infinite potential that’s planted in the soil of our our own being of our soul. And if we look back at our early years, we can see the clue what was always trying to emerge. And my you said the Steve Jobs quote, you can’t always see it in the moment. But you see it in retrospect, oh, my god, yes, that was always there. The great thing is, as you practice this, and I imagine you have so much David when you really practice this, you are able to then begin to see what is the greater life that’s trying to crack through the shell of your current self concepts, and you can begin to live your life, presently aware of what’s emerging, rather than having to always figure it out. Inside, yes. So when I look back, when I look back at my own life, it’s fascinating to see just how much was the science were there, you know, I was definitely a creative kid. And people looked at me and thought I was a little bit weird, a little bit strange, because I was, you know, very creative. And, and, and, and ultimately always wanting to tell stories, or draw pictures about other worlds and other utopian possibilities. And so I would make these paintings and pictures. In fact, one of them ended up in the Smithsonian Institute, in, in, in America. And, and I would always want to be drawing these utopian worlds and these, these, these greater possibilities. And, of course, I went on ultimately to, you know, help to help people to also have my mission in the world be to create a world that works for the highest good of all. So that impulse was already there. And I used to also do this thing where I would spontaneously start to, I would see the good in people, like in my friends, as a teenager, I would always compliment them. But every once in a while, I would just all of this compliment, compliments and affirmations would pour out of me. And I remember my friends, one of my friends called it the love bomb, you know, he basically and he, and he wasn’t he didn’t, he didn’t mean it as a compliment. You know, because when a teenager, a young teenage boy is suddenly telling, you know, his other young teenager friend, how awesome and amazing, good he is, and all these great things he sees in him, the average teenager doesn’t quite know how to receive that. And so again, I felt kind of like a freak. And, and yet, now, here I am, my life is designed around helping to see the best in people and helping them to see that in themselves. And I was also interested in religions, all religions, and I would go to my friend’s house and learn about their religion, and then go to another friend’s house and learn about theirs. And, you know, ultimately, to realize that now I teach, you know, deep, universal or spiritual truths that are ultimately found in all great religions. So I could look back and see that the seeds for being a highly creative spiritual individuals who helps people to see the best in themselves, and ultimately, to bring about a world that works for the highest good of all, those clues were right there every step of the way. But they were just kind of scattered around like a bunch of seeds that get, you know, scattered onto a field that you don’t yet know what kind of harvest is going to come of that. But but it was there often the beginning?
David Ralph [9:00]
Well, that’s why this show has become so powerful. And I get more emails from people saying, yes, you’re absolutely right. It was all around me, as you’re saying. But it wasn’t until I’ve been listening to these conversations, but I’ve been reflecting. And it’s the middle ground Miss, this is what seems to come through every single day. When you’re a little kid, if you ask what you’re going to be what you’re gonna be little Derek Rydall, Derek will say, I want to be an astronaut. I want to be something amazing. Everything’s big, and everything’s bold and radiant. And then you sort of going to your teenage years and what we’re going to be doing, oh, I don’t know, I just get a job, I suppose. And it kind of it loses its way somewhere. And then once you get out your 20s, in your 30s you’re starting thinking this can’t be my life, because you’re so far away from what you first wanted those big, bold, brilliant days and experiences. And it is the middle is the education system or, or something, Derek, I don’t know what it is. But we all seem to be trapped. It doesn’t matter if you in Africa, America, the United Kingdom, whatever, we still dubious path of losing our way in the middle.
Derek Rydall [10:03]
Yes, it’s a really, it’s really a great, you know, topic, because I think what happens is actually, you know, when you’re a little kid, there’s a moment there’s a period for most kids, where if you asked what are they going to be? They’re like, What do you mean, what am I gonna be I’m being it, I am an astronaut, I am, you know, they’re actually living it out there, they are living in the reality of their unique self expression, they’re dancing and singing and, you know, studying the dirt and bugs and, and they’re living their dream. And then they start to get conditioned, they hear messages, like, you can’t just play in the dirt all day, you can’t just sit around drawing pictures all day, you can’t, you know that you’re not an astronaut, come on, get your head out of the clouds and get your head in that book and learn how to do that particular, you know, that history lesson or whatever. And little bit by little bit, the that part of us that’s already naturally living in the vibration, and the frequency and the full expression of our uniqueness, which if, if supported, and honed and nurtured and fed would grow more and more solid and concrete in the world, we start to feel like Ooh, that part of me is weird, let me put that away, that part of me is too much, let me put that away, that part of me won’t get the love and approval that I need to survive, let me put that away. And, and it looks like what I need to do to get the love and survival is to be a good little boy and girl or a normal little boy and girl or etc, etc. A good student or whatever. And, and we start to create these masks or these supers over overlaying structures of our personality, to survive and to cope, to not lose support and love. And, and then you know, like you said, at some point, we lost touch with who we really are. And you know, and then you move into the the age of puberty and and develop moment. And it’s more about you needing to separate from your, from your parents and from the identities you were born up. And so there’s a biological need to rebel, so becomes all about rebelling, or, you know, or girls or boys, you know, whatever. And, and it takes over, and then you get into your 20s, or even sooner and especially more and more nowadays, and the conditioning is you need to have a real job, you need to have a sustaining job, you need to figure out what’s going to make enough money to survive, especially in these hard times. And then the focus becomes on survival. And, and you you’re looking to go to college or to do whatever you’re going to do from a standpoint of what’s going to help ensure that I have enough to survive and and to live on. And you know, all that. And again, that’s another layer over what’s really in you that’s trying to emerge. And then and then for from a lot of people, unfortunately, they never really ever come back home again to that part of themselves. And for others, something happens, that cracks them open again, they have a crisis they have, they’re so unhappy, even when they achieve the money or the security, that it brings them to their proverbial knees, you know, mentally, emotionally or even physically. And in that surrender, or in that cracking open, they get a glimpse again, of this part of themselves that was naturally of able to express their purpose and their potential. And for some of those people, they actually get back on track again, and start to show up in the world and become a child again, and be able to live their true purpose and give their true gifts.
David Ralph [13:42]
It’s a key thing that that last statement you made, be a child again, do you feel that you’re playing when you wake up every morning, do you feel that almost you shouldn’t be being paid for what you do, because you enjoy it so much.
Derek Rydall [13:58]
There’s a lot of there’s definitely a lot of time where that’s the case. And it’s interesting that you say that, because one of the thoughts that I’ve been aware of lately is, even when you are when you begin to really pursue what’s true for you, and you pursue your dreams, and that which is just play and creativity, there is still the danger of because you know, because because a lot of energy gets released, you know, I’m My life is more full and in a lot of ways than ever before. And, and the more you express your potential, the more demands are made on you. And you can inadvertently begin to be doing a whole lot of stuff that isn’t your true joy. And so that’s been actually a movement I’ve been in lately, which is beginning to really reflect and pare down and streamline my life again, so that my my ultimate, you know, dream or my ultimate intention is a statement, I say to do only what only you can do, and then delegate automate or eliminate everything else. So that I can live primarily in that zone of play that zone of my unique genius, my unique gifts, and primarily live there, which is the way all of nature is designed, you know, it’s like the, the oak tree isn’t also trying to do the work of a pine tree. And the squirrel isn’t also trying to do the work of a hamster. You know, nature would be chaotic if it tried to express the way we do. And so my goal is to get back to that pure, simple, essential self expression and to do primarily only that. And if we all did, that the human experience would become this amazing ecosystem of efficiency and impact and beauty that I think is beyond what we can even imagine right now.
David Ralph [15:46]
Did you know I’ve done 300 plus episodes, that’s the first time there that has been phrased in that way. But as you were saying it I thought, yes, that is so obvious, isn’t it? We’ve got our strengths, but we don’t play to them. We’ve got our talents, and we ignore them somehow. And there are times in your life when you’re doing something. And you look at the clock and you think, oh, wow, two hours have gone. Brilliant. It’s just like past. And then other times he has drags because you’re not doing nothing. But you should be doing Yeah, you have been the hamster when you go to school to school when you have a hamster. It’s, but it is a mindset, isn’t it? I know one of your things is about changing mindset. But the listeners out there who contact me, more often than not, no matter what I say to them, they don’t quite grasp the fact bad. They can have their cake and eat it. They can have a truly amazing life where they’re not just surviving, they’re living and they’re experiencing on a daily basis. But they can also earn more money than they’ve ever done before. And they can really enjoy themselves. It all comes together when you hit that being the hamster. I think that’s the title of the show.
Derek Rydall [16:57]
How to be a hamster. Yeah, you know, it’s true, it’s absolutely true, you know, is that there is nothing, everything you know, isn’t if you look at all of nature. You know, like I said, all of nature comes originally from the seeds. You know, even the whole universe was born from an initial seed, you know, and exploded into the Big Bang. But every seed contains within it already a perfect pattern of its own potential. And in nature, the law of emergence, which is what I teach, the law of emergence says that when the conditions in the soil match the pattern in the seed, that inherent potential naturally emerges and naturally unfolds. And notice what the seed doesn’t do. You know, the acorn doesn’t have to go out and make something of itself, the acorn doesn’t have to improve itself into an oak tree, it doesn’t attract an oak tree, it doesn’t have to become worthy of an oak tree, it doesn’t have to go out and collect a bunch of branches and bark and trying to figure out how to build an oak tree. And the acorn isn’t an inadequate oak tree. It’s a perfect acorn. Because we often will look at ourselves as where we are, and say I have all this potential, but we look at ourselves as being somehow inadequate. No, you’re a perfect version of you right now. But there is this seed of infinite potential, a unique seed unique for you only that is planted within you. And when the conditions are right. When the conditions match that seed within you, it naturally begins to emerge and unfold in your life. Often, in ways you can’t imagine or figure out or even control and then often in ways that are much better than you can hope for. And, and you were designed that way you didn’t show up here as an empty shell. You didn’t show up here as a blank slate. You showed up here already fully funded, fully franchised, totally equipped with everything you need to bring forth the destiny that you were born for. And I’ll say one last little thing about that. Nature is indigenous. So that means that a seed, its ability to thrive is dependent on external conditions, right, you know, the sunlight, the soil, the weather, but we as humans are what Ralph Waldo Emerson said, endogenous which means that we carry our weather with us. We no matter how many clouds there are outside, we can always activate the light within our own being. And no matter how many weeds there are in the soil, wherever we’re planted in the world, we can always cultivate the inner conditions of our emotions and our thoughts, the soil of our soul, as I call it, to create that ripe and right condition for our seed of potential.
David Ralph [19:48]
So let’s play some words that really sort of emphasize where we are at the moment. And that’s finding our finger in life, finding the thing that really lights us up inside. And probably no one has said that better than Jim Carrey This is Jim
Jim Carrey [20:01]
my father could have been a great comedian, but he didn’t believe that that was possible for him. And so he made a conservative choice. Instead, he got a safe job as an accountant. And when I was 12 years old, he was let go from that safe job. And our family had to do whatever we could to survive. I learned many great lessons from my father, not the least of which was that you can fail at what you don’t want. So you might as well take a chance on doing what you love.
David Ralph [20:28]
important words for the world.
Derek Rydall [20:30]
Yes, I love it. Absolutely love it.
David Ralph [20:34]
Well, part of your life running up to where we are now you’re quite obviously doing the thing that you should be doing. And everyone can hear about the passion. But how many of those jobs that you were doing were things that were you looking for security and not actually taking a risk and doing the things that you love?
Derek Rydall [20:53]
Well, I just love it. In fact, it’s very much my story, you know, when I was growing up, and I was this kid that was trying to express myself and I had a bit of a rebellious nature. And, you know, my father didn’t understand my what I was doing, I always joked, you know, that together, we would make a complete person, my artists heart and his business head, you know, and, but but for the most part, those parts of us did not meet, you know, he thought Pearl Jam was something you put on toes, and I thought Dow Jones was his business partner. And so, so we very much didn’t connect, and, and he didn’t, he didn’t really support my dreams and believe, you know, you always said artists live below the poverty level, most artists and you need to get a real job and a real education and something to fall back on and all that. And, and so, I ultimately, you know, had a lot of messages that were saying, you know, I needed to do the rational, practical, conservative thing. And I guess it could be that my mom also sent me the message that I could be whatever I wanted to be, but whatever it was, whether that or whether it was grace, or whether it was just such a strong need in me to follow my own Northstar. I went for it anyways, and, and it and ultimately, when it really got on to me following my spiritual path, my this deeper impulse, most of my family and friends thought I’d kind of gone crazy, my dad was afraid for my survival, my mom thought I joined a called my brother thought I had completely been the bottom eyes and lost my personality. My sister just didn’t understand me at all, I lost several friends. And there was a period where I had to walk a somewhat alone path. And, and we all have to face that at some point, if we’re going to really stand in our power, stand in our purpose, and do what’s true, we’re going to face the temptation to believe that, that you know, we’re not going to be loved and accepted, and we’re going to be broke, and I had all those fears. But as I was willing to stand in that very scary place and do the work, eventually, I was able to break through and succeed. And a lot of those people, particularly my family, not only did they come around to support me, but many of them began to find their true or path as they were inspired, and lifted by my willingness to go from mine, even if it meant going forward alone for a short period. So I’ve mostly always gone from my true dream. Now, that being said, when I did have a family and a mortgage, and and suddenly, you know, you know, when I was young, my family lost their home, and I was I lived in a garage with my mom and my sister at one point, after my parents divorced, we lost everything. So there was the ghost of that living in me, which was that I don’t want to be on the streets, I don’t want to lose everything. I don’t want to put my kids through that. So there was a period of time where there was there, there was a focus on what can I do that will make money. And that but I was always trying to see like, how can I use my talents to make money. But it was somewhat, it wasn’t a pure motivation, because it was very much like, you know, and I took a lot of jobs, even in that in the areas that I was, that was my, that could have been my joy, like, as a writer, as a consultant. You know, as a speaker, I took a lot of jobs that were not my passion, that were not my joy. And eventually I got burned out, doing the things that were my love, because I was doing so much of it. That wasn’t really my true, my true, you know, passion. And I had to begin to make decisions. And I remember very clearly making a decision one day to let go of 10s of thousands of dollars in offered employment, doing this stuff to begin to move towards what I really, really want to do. And it was terrifying because I had a family at the time and a mortgage. But as I did it, and as I did the inner work to kind of support that, you know, the following year, I made twice that much doing what I really wanted to do. So it’s been a journey. For me, it’s definitely been a journey of balancing that ghost of wanting to make a living, you know, afraid I’m going to fail with I must follow my passion.
David Ralph [25:22]
It’s a key point to the so much of your story was a key point to all our shows. And one of the things that is true is the fact that when you start anything that seems a bit out of whack to what other people expect you to do, there is a failing. But what was happening? Is he having a midlife crisis? Why is he doing this, he’s got everything. But once you push through that, we call it on this show, but success vacuum. And in the case of a vacuum, once the power is on, things start coming towards you. And you find about other successful people, or other people that are slightly out of whack as well. But But please, you’re coming to your environment, and you kind of leave behind but nice layers, and you end up with a really positive kind of emotional environment of people trying to do the same things and understanding you. And so you found you found that true as well, did you?
Derek Rydall [26:18]
Absolutely. I mean, you’re speaking the truth, you know, and I teach this in the emergence work, which is that as you begin to really honor the vision of your heart that’s trying to emerge that dream that you really, really want not the dream you think you could get or should get or need to be. But that that is true. And you begin to do the work to be congruent with it meaning, you know, you align your thoughts, your words, your conversations, your actions, and you really step into that dream and you keep stepping, what begins to happen is one of two things start to happen. Either the environment and the relationships you’re in, will start to shift and evolve and grow to match you and play with you at that higher level. Or if they’re not able or willing, they will be moved out or you will be moved out into an environment and into relationships that are playing at that level. And it’s it’s kind of like, you know, one other analogy I use for emergencies. is broadcast is radio. So that you know, right where we are, we’re inundated with all kinds of broadcasts. And in the midst of those broadcasts, our favorite music is playing music that would lift our spirits and make us want to dance and make us feel great no matter what we’re feeling right now. But it’s not manifest right now. So we don’t have any value in it, even though it’s broadcasting right where we are. But when we tune the dial of our receiver, so that it matches the frequency of that station where the music is playing, suddenly, we it broadcasts we it manifests, even though it’s already playing right where we are. And we suddenly are feeling all the results of that music that was always here, because now we’re tuned into it. And it wasn’t in the future. It wasn’t in the distance, it was always playing right where we are. But we had to tune into it. And the other thing is that on that station, all the other people that are attuned with that kind of music, that music that sings our heart and soul, they’re also all tuned into that station. And so you start to get connected with the people and the situations, you know, that are all playing at that same level, as I like to say, you know, station k ri ch k rich, whereas when you’re, you know, tuned into k lack KLA ck, you know, they’re playing the blues, there’s a lot of gossip on that station. And there’s a certain kind of people and conditions that are listening to that music all day long. And so absolutely, when you start to tune into that higher station, that higher frequency, that music, that is really your, the central plenty of success for you, then you start to be at the same bandwidth, the same frequency, the same place where people that are playing at that same level are half are existing, and they start to show up in your life, those opportunities start to show up. And it can be hard because sometimes it does mean letting go of conditions and relationships that simply aren’t willing or able to play with you at that level
David Ralph [29:27]
is simply isn’t it? It’s science. And it is really strange. Yeah, why you can on a scientific, scientific table, you know, yeah, I buy into that totally. But when you talk about humans and emotions and stuff, but some reason people don’t buy into it, but what you’re talking about and frequency is, it’s just, it’s true. It’s like a tuning fork, isn’t it? Really?
Derek Rydall [29:49]
Yeah, I mean, this is what quantum physics is revealing to us. That’s what the great master philosophers and teachers have said, literally living in a field of infinite potential. Quantum Physics, there’s this field of infinite potential, and it’s filled with infinite ideas. And through the observation effect, the observer effect, basically what we focus on, it collapses this field of infinite potential, and turns it into some actual form of expression, all of infinite. In fact, in quantum physics, they call it everything is in what’s called a superposition, meaning it’s everywhere and nowhere. And through your focus and your observation and your intention, that, that that potential gets collapsed into a particle. And so the same thing is with our life, when there’s this field of infinite potential, and when we focus in on it, then it actually becomes manifest, but but you have to focus but science is already proving that, that what you focus on, you get more and more of, and and I take it a step further. And say that it’s not just that there’s a field of infinite potential and you can focus on anything and anything’s possible, but that there’s you are a unique part of that field of potential, you are a unique expression of that, that you actually have a unique pattern within you, that is trying to express that carries with it everything that you need. And when you begin to focus on that, that unique pattern, that unique song of your soul, that unique dream or desire, that is knocking on the door of your of your of your mind all the time, and in fact, is leaving clues all over your life, as we talked about, when you start to focus on that, and make that a priority in your life, it starts to come into fruition it starts to you start to tune into that station where your music is playing, and becomes manifest. But you have to give it your attention, you have to make it a priority. As I like to say we have to move from being merely problem solvers, which is focusing on what’s missing, what’s lacking what’s broken, and what’s wrong, and become vision holders, which means focusing on what’s possible, what’s potential, what’s trying to emerge, you must make that flip, you know, as Einstein said, You can’t solve a problem at the level of thinking that created it, you have to, and then later on, he says, you know, arrows of hate were shot in my direction many times, but they no longer can harm me because they come from a world I no longer inhabit. So you have to begin to inhabit a different world, you have to get outside of the circle of your problems and all the things that you think are wrong and broken about yourself and about life, and start tapping into a vision of that seed a potential that’s trying to emerge in you. And as you do that, energy flows where your attention goes, and it will begin to unfold. And you will begin you’ll be lifted to that higher station.
David Ralph [32:47]
So so when you submerge yourself in your apartment and turned off the TV or news looking back on it now, was that a great thing to do? Or was that a waste of time? Could could you have done that? In a lovely beach somewhere? Could you have gone off and had a bit of sunshine on you? Was that something that you had to do to get to this point?
Derek Rydall [33:08]
It was something that that I have to do. But it’s but it’s different for everyone. You know, for me, I had to have a radical break, partly because I’d had an experience that preceded that which was a near death experience where I almost drowned. And I had a profound opening where I could see that, you know, I’ve been a guy struggling to improve my life and fix myself for so many years. And, and I, in this moment, have a moment of absolute unconditional surrender, because I believed I was going to die. And there was nothing left for me to do but to surrender. Because I was stuck in a coral reef underwater, nobody was coming to save me, I was surrounded by fire coral and spiked coral inches from my throat, my neck, I was running out of oxygen running out of my ability to breathe, I couldn’t hold myself up anymore, you know, at the level in the water. And I was going to fall onto these spikes and be skewered to death and drown. There was no way out of it. And I got to a point where I knew that. And in that moment, all I could do is let go. And in this moment of letting go. Something cracked open, my ego was like ripped from its moorings or as I like to say Humpty Dumpty fell off off the wall. And in out of that crack in the shell of my ego, something, I got a glimpse of something, I could see that this whole path I’d been on of trying to improve myself and fix myself. I was trying to fix a false self, the self that didn’t really exist. That was just an amalgamation of all of my peer pressure and societal conditioning and parental fantasies. But it wasn’t a real self. And underneath it, there was a self that was had never been hurt. And so it didn’t need to be fixed. And it was already complete. So it couldn’t be improved upon. And this self, by the way is the truth about all of us.
I’ve been caught in this trade. Go ahead.
David Ralph [35:05]
Now. So it does does it blow your mind? And the reason I jumped in where we’re losing connection quite badly. But does it blow your mind that it took a moment of well, farewell world to really make you see what you should be doing is that the shame that so many people struggle with, but they don’t have that, that that pain point, they don’t have that that frustration that drives them to the point of doing something about it.
Derek Rydall [35:36]
Yeah, you know, and you don’t have to necessarily suffer and be at the point of dying like I was by going through that experience that cracked me open and eventually showed me the right path showed me that there was nothing wrong with me showed me that I wasn’t broken, and showed me that, like the acorn I already had within me all the potential. And I could just begin to nurture that and allow it to emerge in a more organic and natural way. That allowed me to discover a process and a path and a way that I could help myself and others to not have to get to that point of almost dying, to not have to always be brought to your knees and suffer. Because you don’t have to suffer. You know, pain is inevitable. But suffering is is a choice. It’s optional. And I was just in so much resistance, that it created that much suffering, and it needed to happen to crack me open. And like you said, Does everybody have to lock themselves away in an apartment? Can they just go on a beach? Absolutely. For me, I needed that kind of dramatic break. But again, as I said, as a result of that I’ve discovered a way of living and helping others to live that doesn’t require such a dramatic break. Now, that doesn’t mean there’s not going to be challenge. Challenge is a part of nature, you know, you look at nature, there are certain trees that need a forest fire, in order for them to actually grow and thrive to the next level, because it melts the seed pods and opens them up to drop new seeds, and it burns open the canopy so more light can get in. And it does all these great evolutionary things. So and some plants need really hard rocky soil to grow in, so that they activate certain enzymes in their bark. So they can thrive in certain environments. So depending on your purpose, and your gifts, and what you’re here to do in the world, you may need to go through some challenging experiences, to activate that deeper potential within you just like a hero or heroine in a great story. You know, the enemy, you know, the better, the worst, the bad guy, the more powerful becomes the good guy. So those conflicts and challenges in the story of your life are designed there to activate the greater potential within you. They’re not designed to destroy you. They really are designed to make you stronger.
David Ralph [38:04]
So so when you you came to basically you’ve been almost sleepwalking for many, many years, you’ve been living a life that wasn’t you. And then suddenly you saw your path. How did you plan to make that path come true? How did you know because this is another one of the stumbling blocks that so many people struggle with, they get an idea. And they can’t quite believe that they’re going to be able to earn money from it. And they can’t quite believe that they’re going to be able to do it. And it’s okay for Derek Rydall because Derek Rydall’s Okay, he’s got super talents. I haven’t. How did you start it actually coming to fruition?
Derek Rydall [38:40]
Yeah, well, interestingly enough, I mean, of course, all those beliefs are are not true. But I ended up getting a job as a waiter. So I went from being an up and coming actor starring in films and stuff, having this near death experience, losing everything was going to be a monk, and then eventually was a waiter. And I was working in a restaurant as a waiter. And I had to wait on people that I had been in movies with. So you want to talk about humiliating and embarrassing, and really, really painful. And, and but I had a vision for my life, I knew what I wanted. And so that’s step one, you have to begin to do the work, which I help people to do like in my book, or in my programs to get in touch with what is that that’s trying to emerge? What is the vision for your life, but then you also have to start to bring that person that you would be if you were living that vision, into whatever environment you’re living in. So if you know, for me, if I was really living my vision, I would feel joyful and powerful and confident. And I would be a leader giving excellence and giving love and service and all of these great things, right. So most people have that vision, but they don’t show up to their life today. They’re like, Well, when I have more money, then I’ll be more generous and happy. When I get that job, I’ll be more creative. When I get that relationship, then I’ll love myself more. No, it doesn’t work that way. From the emergence model, whatever is missing is what you’re not giving. In this moment. When you walk into a room or a relationship, the only thing you can meet is what you bring. So So I began to show up at that waiters job, and bring the love and bring the joy and bring the creativity and bring the excellence and act and show up as the person I wanted to be. And as I did that I developed and grew these muscles within me. Now, interestingly, number before we talked about when you really start showing up and living your vision, either the people in the situation will play with you more, you’ll be moved. Yeah, right. So I got fired from that job, not once, not twice, but three times. And every time I got fired, they hired me back because they realized I hadn’t really done anything. And somebody was mistaken, or the manager was afraid I was trying to get their job or whatever, you know, the the other waiters starting to get mad at me because they’re like, Why are you showing up and being so good as a waiter, you’re making us all look bad, you know. And so and as I kept showing up, and bringing all of me that space could not contain me. And so eventually, I was fired for the third and final time, and I stayed fired. But within a few weeks, and this is important, I was hired. And I was hired to doing the work I love. And I went from making $50 a day to $1,000 a day, I went from waiting on people in a three star restaurant, to being wined and dined in five star restaurants all over the country. But the key is that that didn’t happen in my future. That happened because I decided to show up in my current circumstance, and bring it show up as the person I would be if I was living my dream, begin to activate the feelings as I I was living my dream and hold nothing back. And and because a plant, a seed can only grow where it’s planted. So if you’re waiting for some future condition, you are up rooting the seed of your potential and sticking it up on the side. And it’s not going to grow there, you must grow where you’re planted, you know it just like a, you plant a seed in a little pot, it’s just a tiny little pot at first. But if the seed goes, Well, this is such a small little pot, I’m not going to grow there, I’ve got visions of a much bigger, you know, I’m going to be part of a great forest, I want to be part of a great garden, and it decides not to grow, well, that seeds going to forever remain stuck in that little pot. But if it decides to grow and fill that little pot out, what does the gardener do with it Next, the gardener takes it puts it in a bigger pot, and then a bigger pot. And eventually it ends up you know, in a grand garden or whatever. So that’s how we have to show up in our own lives.
David Ralph [42:58]
We can learn some calm Wait, this is this is a fascinating conversation. Because it is it’s it’s all around us, we only actually have to look at the natural world. To understand what we need to do somehow, I’m going to play some more words now. And this is something that ties in very nicely with the Jim Carrey speech, but also ties in what you were doing at this point in your life. And this is Oprah
Oprah Winfrey [43:23]
the way through the challenge is to get still and ask yourself, what is the next right move? not think about, Oh, I got all of this stuff. What is the next right move? And then from that space, make the next right move, and the next right move, and not to be overwhelmed by it. Because you know your life is bigger than that one moment, you know, you’re not defined by what somebody says, is a failure for you. Because failure is just there to point you in a different direction.
David Ralph [43:55]
Do you buy into those words, when you make a decision? Do you classify them as a failure? Or just part of the journey?
Derek Rydall [44:02]
No, absolutely. I bind those words. Fact I teach you know that, you know, when a baby learns to walk? How do we learn to walk, if you actually look at the mechanics of walking, we learn to walk by falling. So walking is you the baby gets up falls forward. And they don’t know how to catch themselves. So they fall all the way to the ground. And eventually they learn to catch themselves sooner and sooner. And what walking is is falling, catching yourself falling, catching yourself falling catching yourself, and eventually you’re walking. But what you’re really doing is controlled falling. And failure is the same thing or success rather, is this controlled failure. All success is often built on the predicated on previous failure. And what is that you fail and you fall all the way to the ground, you pick yourself back up, you stand up, you move forward, you fail all the way to the ground, and eventually learn how to catch yourself sooner and sooner, eventually, you’re succeeding. But that success is really just this controlled falling, this controlled failing forward. You’re just you’re reaching, you’re extending, you’re growing, you’re stumbling, and you’re catching, and you keep doing that and never stop. And you look back and suddenly realize you’ve covered a great distance. And so that’s the same thing with failure. So you know, they’re the only failure there really is, is if you stop, you know, if you fall to the ground, and you stay on the ground forever, let’s we could say that’s a failure because you don’t get back up ever again. But if you pick yourself back up, and you keep moving forward, then all that is is you’re learning to walk, you’re learning that success is just the progressive unfolding of the forward falling, the forward failing. So I absolutely agree with that. And I also agree with just do what’s next is what she said, you know, and that’s very much what I was saying. It’s like, we have these grand visions, sometimes sometimes we have not so grand, but we look and we look at that vision, we go well, how could I ever do that? Who would ever want that? How would I ever make money at that? And that’s not what’s next. What’s next is first owning that vision, owning that dream and beginning to ask emergence questions like, how would I feel if I was living that? Who would I be? If I was living that? What can I do to begin to walk towards that. And if you ask those kinds of questions, the next step always emerges. And you never ever again have to be stuck. And then if you step that next step, like Oprah said, the next step reveals itself. You know, like, my job is the waiter, I just showed up and filled out the space that was available to me, with all of me with the best of me, that was my next step. And then the next step was revealed. And eventually, my life unfolded to a whole new level.
David Ralph [46:57]
When I started this, I was in a corporate gig, and I had a I kind of vision, what I wanted to do with my life, and it wasn’t big, it was something else. But this fell into place very quickly. And I remember doing episode one. And I had this image of what I wanted to achieve. And it was so big Derek, it terrified me. And I thought, I’m never going to be able to do this, I might as well stop now. So what I did, I thought, Okay, I’m gonna break it into six stages. And I’ve been doing this for coming up a year now. And I think I’m about four weeks away from the completion of stage one. And it’s amazing the progress you can make when you do just do one thing after another after another after another. Because it’s the old thing, isn’t it? It’s, you know, yes, it might take your five years, but unless you get hit by a car or something, you’re gonna waste those five years anyway. So you might as well start.
Derek Rydall [47:50]
That’s right. Absolutely. I mean, no matter what age you are, it’s like the story of the woman that was in line in college signing up for medical school. She was a very, you know, an older woman. And this, this kid asked her, you know, because he was thought maybe she was in the wrong line, or something that she should have been maybe in a sewing, you know, sewing class or something. And he says, ma’am, you know, this is for medical school. And she’s like, Yes, I understand that son is like, ma’am, you know, this takes, I don’t know, six years, 10 years, whatever it is, she’s like, I’m aware of that is like, Man, I’m sorry, to. But But I mean, you know, you’re going to be you know, whatever. And I think you might have even asked her, how old are you? And she said, I’m 70 years old, or 65, or whatever it was, it says, you know, you’ll be like, 75, when you become a doctor, she’s like, son, I’m going to become 75. Anyways, I might as well be 75 and a doctor, since that’s my dream. And so you know, Grandma, Moses became a world famous painter, like in her 80s. So it doesn’t matter when you start. And if you look at a lot of successes, a lot of successes are people that just never stopped. You know, there’s many points along the path of every success story, where if they had stopped, it would have been just one more of those failure stories, whether it was Walt Disney being going bankrupt twice, whether it was Thomas Edison failing to figure out the light bulb 10,000 times, at any one of those failures, he could have stopped. And it would have been a footnote in history, or not even that at all, or Steve Jobs being removed from the Board of apple and Apple becoming sort of a, you know, kind of a just a little old thing over here, not that big of a deal. Over and over again, if you if any of those people would have stopped at those failure points, they would have been like all the other people we look at and say see all those people, they didn’t succeed. But they didn’t stop. And so often showing up and continuing to show up and staying in the race, you know, what is it the, the race does not go to the swiftest or fleet of foot, but to he or she who endures to the end. It’s like the, it’s like the tortoise and the hare, right. And so, so so if you are willing to endure, you know, then, and do the work, it doesn’t mean just adore and keep doing the same thing over and over again, it means to iterate, to get in touch with what’s really trying to emerge in you to do the inner work to become congruent to learn from your lessons, if you will keep doing that. The universe is designed as a progressive universe, you will keep growing and unfolding and having breakthroughs and having openings and having new opportunities. That is, that is the way you were designed. But you must stay the course. And that doesn’t mean you have to stay the same course all the time. But if you’re willing to fully commit to the course, then life will course correct you if you truly need to, you know, but so many people are sitting in their driveway with their GPS, you know, their, the guidance system, and they’re looking at the GPS and going, why won’t you tell me all of the directions don’t like waiting to see every turn and twist of the journey. But the GPS won’t start telling which way to turn until you start driving. And if you stop driving, it’ll stop guiding. So you must be moving for it to guide you. And so such as true with our dreams, if we if we get in touch with that vision that’s trying to emerge. And like I said, there’s clues everywhere in our past and our childhood. And it’s not just the clues of what we love, but also the clues of what scare us. And then we stay the course and do the work to cultivate the soil of our soul to be really a match for that seed of potential. And we just keep growing, we will eventually bear rich fruit in our life.
David Ralph [51:37]
I think this what while I’m doing now, Derek, I think is the first time in my life, that I have focused solely on one thing, I think I’ve always been a bit of the shiny object syndrome. And I would do online projects. And just as it was sort of getting vaguely bear, I turned on action I got Oh, no, that’s too much hard work. I go on this episode. And this is the first time ever, I have just gone know, every single day I turn up, I turn the computer on. And I’m focused on this. And it has been an epiphany to me again, you know, it’s like the hamster on the wheel really a lot of time. And that’s definitely going to be the title of the show. Now the hamster has got to be in there. But I’m, every day I’m running on this wheel running on this wheel. And a lot of time, I don’t think I’m getting any any, you know, traction at all. I’m just going around and around the mouth. And then you glance out sometimes out of the cage, and you suddenly realize that the scenery is changed and you’ve moved to a different place. And I think that is where my life is at the moment. I think it’s its focus. And what’s what they say follow one course until success focus.
Derek Rydall [52:45]
Yes, yes, exactly. I love that. Yeah, and you know, you said so many great things, I mean, you really are bringing up so many great principles and points. And you have to you know, there’s the old story of the the Chinese bamboo tree, where you plant this time, little bamboo seed and you water it, weed it and feed it. And after a year of doing that, you know, teta, it doesn’t grow it all, you know, and then you water weed and feed it and after another year, finally, it grows like a tiny little sliver. And then the third year you water weed and feed it a tiny little sliver. And five years of that if you haven’t, you know, buried yourself in the ground or gone and you know, put a contract on the guy that sold you these darn bamboo seeds. You know, in the fifth year, if you’ll stay the course, within a matter of a few weeks, the bamboo tree grows 80 to 90 feet. So it grows 6789 stories. That’s what you call an overnight success. And, but and so if you could have given up at any one of those points, this is a bad seed, it’s a bad hole, it’s a bad area, the wrong tools, you know, I’m going to go try out seeds instead. And of course, that seed would die because it wouldn’t be being nurtured. But what was happening for those years was you were growing a tremendous root system necessary to carry and sustain this magnificent expression, you know, there’s eight or nine stories of bamboo, it required this tremendous root system, otherwise, you know, a little wind would come by and those tall, thin stocks would just go toppling over. And so it was building a mighty root system. And so for many of us, we’re going to great challenges chronic problems, or just really doing the work over and over and over again writing a book and another book and another book or whatever, and nothing is happening. But that’s not true. If you really doing the work, and you’re really building your character as well as your talents and qualities, you are building a mighty root system. And the deeper the roots, the richer the fruits, the deep down the roots go, the higher the shoots can grow. And so you know, like Stephen King, the great author, you know, wrote all these different things and got rejected by every publisher over and over again. And, you know, finally he actually threw away his, the first great novel that would get published called Carrey threw it away, and his wife luckily pulled it out of the trash and you know, cleaned it off and sent it to the, you know, one more publisher, and the rest is history. But luckily, you know, so if you can’t do it for yourself, get a really good partner, you know, to to support you who will get a partner get people around you, who will never give up on you. That’s another good reason to have support. Because there are going to be times when we want to give up on ourselves. You know, if you even look at the journey of Martin Luther King, Jr. and you study like like the movie Selma. And there were so many points where he wanted to give up and quit. And he had people beside him say don’t quit yet, don’t give up yet. stay the course. So this is very important that we have support. It’s like, again, to use a nature analogy. When certain plants are growing, they require, you know, a stake in the ground, or some kind of lattice work, they require some kind of structure to hold them up until they’re strong enough to hold themselves up. And so sometimes, we need to do the same thing. So not only is everything we’re talking about important, but having a structure in your life that supports you. Whether it’s, you know, listening to shows like this on a regular basis, having coaches or groups or family or friends, it’s vitally important to have that support so that you never give up.
David Ralph [56:46]
And let’s play the theme of the show we’re getting near the end of the show. But the show is called join up dots and it’s based on a speech that Steve Jobs made back in 2005. And he’s talking about the internal support system, the trust the intuition, but so many of us ignore, but can actually show us the path. This is Steve Jobs
Steve Jobs [57:06]
Of course, it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards 10 years later. Again, you can’t connect the dots looking forward, you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something, your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. Because believing that the dots will connect down the road will give you the confidence to follow your heart, even when it leaves you off the well worn path. And that will make all the difference.
David Ralph [57:41]
So what’s your big Derek when you look back in your life? was it was it almost drowning? Was it was staying in the apartment? What would you say was the moment when you really started to show your true self?
Derek Rydall [57:54]
Well, like I said, before, you know, I think that I can see now all the clues when I was younger, you know, my, my desire to create something new my desire to, to, you know, draw pictures and paintings of of, you know, utopian worlds, my desire to learn about universal spiritual truths and principles, and to affirm the highest and best in my friends, I can see all along the way that all of those parts of my acorn were speaking, all of those parts of my, my destiny were breaking out in these little ways that I didn’t understand. And, and like you said, only in retrospect, can I see that. And also, you know, my ability to, to not go with the flow, my ability, even though it was painful, to defy my father’s wishes. And even when my whole family thought I was crazy. And what I learned in that journey of painfully honoring my truth is now what is primarily what I help other people to do, to really get in touch with their purpose, against all odds, and to honor it until it begins to bear fruit in their life, and have that courage and that strength to do that. I had to go through that, as I often say to people that are teachers in the world, your life, you’ve been living your own workshop. And, and now you’re just teaching, whether it’s through art, or books, or whatever, you’re just teaching, or even if you’re a parent, you’re really just teaching what you’ve been learning and being prepared for the whole time.
David Ralph [59:29]
He’s fascinating, isn’t it, no experience is wasted. Even the dark dots become good dots, and the good thoughts become songs. And whenever you do in life, as long as you take something from that experience, good or bad, then you’re making progress on you. It’s your own is your internal library, I suppose.
Derek Rydall [59:48]
Well, you know what, again, use nature, what is the soil made up? The soil, which is the very life substance of everything on Earth, is made of everything that is dying, decayed, and rotted. So the more of the death, decay, rot, and refuse that is put into the soil, the darker and the richer and the more fertile it is, with the life giving energy and substance. And so the darkness is just the light in potential, the soil, the dark soil is life in potential and those dark periods in our life, those dark parts within ourself, the pain, the challenges, the things that we want to get rid of, or, or cover up or deny, all of that is the rich soil of our life, that if we’re willing not to turn it into a tomb, but into a womb, and to really dig into it and to, and to integrate it, you know, then when the sun comes out in our life, it’s going to activate all that darkness, and it’s going to feed our seed of potential, and our life’s going to blossom in ways that we can’t even imagine. But if we get rid of all that dirt, if we make it wrong, what happens to a seed, if it gets rid of all the dirt, the sun comes up, shines light on that seed and burns it to a crisp. So we must embrace the darkness, we must embrace the challenges and let it nourish us and get the nourishment that is there locked in it. And that’s really the core of of my what’s been my life’s journey, and one of my biggest lessons is embracing all of that.
David Ralph [1:01:31]
Brilliant. I love that. What an analogy. Well, this is the end of the show. And this is the part that we call the Sermon on the mic when we send you back in time to have a one on one with your younger self. And if you could go back in time and speak to the young Derek Rydall, what age would you choose? And what advice would you give? Well, we’re going to find out, because I’m going to play the theme tune. And when it fades, you’re up Mrs. The sermon on the mic
Unknown Speaker [1:02:01]
with the best bit of the show.
Derek Rydall [1:02:18]
Yeah, and I would I would speak to first of all, my really younger self, who, who felt, you know, 56789 those ages somewhere in there. And I would just tell you, young Derek Rydall, when you’re feeling confused and judged, and weird, and people are telling you, you should know something’s wrong with you. And you’re just feeling a lot of guilt and shame and judgment about who you are. So naturally, your love of people, your love of life, your creative spirit, your unique expression and thoughts, I would just want to take you Derek Rydall and sit you on my lap or sitting beside me on a bench and put my arm around you and say that you’re awesome. That everything that you’re experiencing, and that you’re interested in is your real destiny and your real genius that’s unfolding. And as you just keep honoring that and nurturing that and loving and accepting all of you, regardless of what anybody else thinks or says, you’re going to look back one day and discover that all of that, that all of life, all of that was conspiring for your good. And so that’s that’s the that’s the first thing I would say. And then I would go to my older self in his teens and 20s when he’s in such a rush to get somewhere.
And I would say the moment always feels like it’s taking forever. But when you look back the decades go by in a blink of an eye. And I would say take a breath. Enjoy the moment, because life really does go by fast. life really is fleeting. And this moment right now, this person in front of you this experience is precious. Relax, there’s no rush. Enjoy the ride.
David Ralph [1:04:10]
Derek, how can our audience connect with you?
Derek Rydall [1:04:14]
Absolutely, you can certainly go to Derek Rydall, Derek Rydall.com. And get a bunch of free tools and audio things. You can also grab my new book emergence from online Amazon, Barnes and Noble, etc. And when you buy a copy of that book, if you go to get emergence book.com, I’m going to give you almost 1800 dollars in free programs and live support to actually apply these principles in your life and really start living the life you were born for.
David Ralph [1:04:54]
We will have over links in the show notes. Derek Rydall, thank you so much for spending time with us today and joining those dots. Please come back again when you have more dots to join up because I do believe that by joining up the dots and connecting our past is the best way to build our futures. Mr. Derek Rydall, thank you so much.
Derek Rydall [1:05:10]
Thank you, David. It’s been an honor and a pleasure
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